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Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by sillysaurus3 » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:35 AM UTC

tedunangst wrote: post #204

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 7 will be supported through 2020 according to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle The updates are free.

Did you read what I said about OS X upgrades being like Service Packs? Did you read your link? > Support for Windows 7 RTM without service packs ended on April 9, 2013.

A service pack doesn't completely redesign how people interact with Windows, though. But OS X "service packs" tend to do just that. In fact, that was the author's frustration.

Seeing as OS X service packs also come out very frequently, whereas Windows are very rare, I'm not sure the two are comparable.

I should probably bow out now. I just thought it was interesting.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by pikachu_is_cool » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:36 AM UTC

axotty wrote: post #128

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You thought Woz was Canadian? It's the guys name. Using ones own name cannot be linkbaity or misleading.

It is when your name is identical to the co-Founder's name. It's link-baity by the fact that many people were baited into clicking that link under false pretenses. I'm not accusing this Wozniak of malice, however. I didn't look at the TLD I just clicked. I thought Woz was ditching OS X, I got excited. I was baited.

If it means anything, amidst all of the downvotes I completely agree with you.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by NathanKP » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:38 AM UTC

That directory merge issue really was annoying. I had LaTeX installed and it spent a good three hours merging the LaTeX install directory. I restarted the install once because I thought it had gotten hung, but when it happened again after I restarted I found the debug console and realized what it was doing.

Yosemite really did have an extremely poor install process.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by morganvachon » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:39 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #167

brianstorms wrote: post #101

I haven't quit it, but the problems, annoyances, surprises, seeming ineptitude, and creeping iOSification of OS X that the author describes sure do resonate. Every new major release of OS X is a day or week spent disabling things, shutting down Spotlight again, trying to restore things back to the way they were instead of the way some Designer with a capital D thinks they should be, for no other reason than, "Beauty.…

>I just dread the idea of moving to Linux again. I don't want to tinker that much. If you don't use Unity and instead use a different environment like KDE, Ubuntu is actually a great system that requires minimal tweaking.

I hated Unity at first, enough to stick with 10.04 when I ran Ubuntu (I was never impressed with Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu, there was always something broken somewhere in all of those). But I finally gave it a go in 14.04, and it has vastly improved. It may still not be your cup of tea, but in my mind at least it's better than Gnome 3 and is worth a look.

That said, for my money you can't beat Mint with Xfce for a quick and easy casual GNU/Linux box. I always skip Xfce's compositor and install Compton for tear-free window dragging and video watching (Nvidia-specific issue I believe), but otherwise the default install is very good.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by jmgtan » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:40 AM UTC

dkulchenko wrote: post #156

jmgtan wrote: post #143

After experiencing the awesomeness that is Continuity and Handoff, I wouldn't give up OSX for Windows/Linux. I do agree with some of his points about instability especially for .0 releases, better wait after a few patches before upgrading. I do disagree about Yosemite's installation time, coincidentally I just updated my wife's 2011 MBA last night and it took around 40 mins. The funny thing is once Yosemite was insta…

> I do disagree about Yosemite's installation time, coincidentally I just updated my wife's 2011 MBA last night and it took around 40 mins. He's referring to the infamous bug for Homebrew users or just anyone with a lot of files in /usr/local on which the OS X install chokes hard, copying each file individually, taking many hours to complete the install.

Ah I personally haven't encountered that since I don't use homebrew, I just had to update my macports, I didn't have to reinstall my stuff.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by yourad_io » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:40 AM UTC

owenwil wrote: post #56

jwise0 wrote: post #29

I've been considering this for a while -- especially after the Yosemite upgrade, in which my machine has been randomly hanging [0], and in which my machine gets noticeably slower (cmd-tab takes a quarter to a half a second to actually finish switching and repainting windows) over the course of a few days of uptime. OS X software quality is very clearly not a priority at Apple, which is a shame, because this machine i…

A fresh install will likely fix many of your problems. But it sounds to me like your machine needs a warranty repair.

"Just format it"? Really?

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Post by prapam2 » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:42 AM UTC

morganvachon wrote: post #202

prapam2 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop Linux is mostly install an work. I have not done any tinkering for a long time. But the Yosemite upgrade on laptop brought back my memories of initial Ubuntu distributions. I had disable few setting to get some performance. I had to change few UI setting to get a decent look. It looks a transition phase OS.But ubuntu on that m/c had few touch pad issues otherwise it would have been the default OS for me on th…

> Desktop Linux is mostly install an work. It is...until it isn't. Nine out of ten Ubuntu or Mint installs will go off without a hitch, with no weird issues or regressions, and a warm, friendly, comfortable development environment welcomes you. Then there's that one time you install it on your laptop so you have a to-go environment that matches your workstation, and BOOM! your wifi isn't recognized (what year is it a…

More wifi then Sound were common for me before don't have them now. Actually i face these issues when doing a fresh installation of Win7. Many times i had use Ubuntu to find windows drivers!

My Macbook pro Ubuntu installation went without any problems. Touch pad mouse clicks weren't as exact as OS X. I am used to it hence was not able to use Ubuntu. Maybe i should tinker a bit.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by wildmXranat » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:44 AM UTC

geerlingguy wrote: post #24

FYI this was not posted by 'the Woz', but rather by the unrelated Geoff Wozniak. I imagine many others may have clicked through owing to the domain.

Wozniak is a very common Polish surname and is in the top 10 of most popular surnames there. I didn't think it was The Woz especially since it has a Canadian tld.

Anyway that might be my Polish bias talking, but I don't see how many could have made that mistake.

Op wrote a good piece. It stands on its own unrelated to his surname.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by uniformlyrandom » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:44 AM UTC

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #112

axotty wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely clicked and read the entire article only because I thought it was written by Woz. I agree, it is link-baity and misleading. EDIT: Holy down votes. Don't know what to say. I thought it was Woz, sosume. All I did was agree with the less-downvoted parent. EDIT 2: Hive mind crit axotty for 9999.

You thought Woz was Canadian? It's the guys name. Using ones own name cannot be linkbaity or misleading.

Many people interpret 'ca' as 'California'. The same way 'it' it not always Italy, and 'mx' is not always Mexico.

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Post by fixedd » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 4:45 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #167

brianstorms wrote: post #101

I haven't quit it, but the problems, annoyances, surprises, seeming ineptitude, and creeping iOSification of OS X that the author describes sure do resonate. Every new major release of OS X is a day or week spent disabling things, shutting down Spotlight again, trying to restore things back to the way they were instead of the way some Designer with a capital D thinks they should be, for no other reason than, "Beauty.…

>I just dread the idea of moving to Linux again. I don't want to tinker that much. If you don't use Unity and instead use a different environment like KDE, Ubuntu is actually a great system that requires minimal tweaking.

Same for Ubuntu Gnome. There's a few addons (or plugins, or whatever they call them) that I install to suite my preferences, but I can do a clean install + additional packages + tweak to my needs in under an hour. If you don't know the package names you'll want, maybe double that. The past few upgrades have also worked flawlessly for me, which makes it even easier.

That said, I intentionally purchase hardware that's known to work well with Linux (if you buy a system with all Intel chipsets, you'll probably be fine). Also, the power management is still abysmal. I still have to tinker with powertop to get battery life comparable to other OS's.