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New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by csmuk »

ams6110 wrote: post #200
csmuk wrote: post #159

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We have many non technical users doing just fine with TortoiseSVN on windows... If it's a command line app they'd be lost so that might be the basis of your argument.

So you have users editing Office documents and committing changes to SVN and you don't get conflicts? Or if you do, they are able to resolve them?

Yes you do get and can resolve the conflicts.

Despite common knowledge you can diff and merge office documents with TortoiseSVN. All it does is fire up their built in review/diff tools.

Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by csmuk »

VikingCoder wrote: post #177
csmuk wrote: post #169

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Fair enough - they should probably add this. I'm not getting a 5 second delay here. It's instant (~0.5 seconds). You're right about the changes not being marked up, although it does do this on Office 365 so perhaps it's a market segregation thing.

...and can I seriously not search the contents of documents from SkyDrive?

Never tried. Don't need that feature myself.

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Post by selectnull »

etrain wrote: post #207
Spearchucker wrote: post #171

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I don't search much. What I do a lot of is sort my inbox by sender. Pretty basic feature right there.

To play devil's advocate - isn't the reason you're sorting so that you can find information more easily? Aren't you manually performing search yourself? While not perfect, I think searching for "from:sender" is more efficient than sort by sender.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Gmail has a different philosophy of working with data (search instead of sort) and I've noticed more than once that some people refuse to make that mental switch.

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Post by riffraff »

aragot wrote: post #182
bhouston wrote: post #95

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Gmail UI sucks in part because they are going for the masses, not the power user. It isn't HTML5's fault.

They are going for the masses, but my mother complains to me about it (the compose experience). She's 60. Don't get me started on the emails she loses in the Promotions tab.

in case you don't know it, you can get rid of the tabs for her, so everything goes to one inbox again.

I'm just saying this because, to _remove_ a tab you have to click on the "+". Awesome intuitive design.

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Post by riffraff »

falcolas wrote: post #138
mierle wrote: post #30

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I recently went through an acquisition where we transitioned from Google Apps to the Microsoft suite. I do not share your love of Microsoft's suite. Among the many problems I have with the Microsoft suite, Outlook is at the top of my list for generating the most frustration. GMail's priority inbox and new-style inbox where machine learning is used to sort out mail is a productivity booster for me. With Outlook, I reg…

> where machine learning is used to sort out mail A few minutes spent setting up filters goes a long ways to nullifying the (frequently wrong for me ) machine learning advantage in sorting emails.

I think you forgot the pre-gmail days of setting up spam filters this way.

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Post by bane »

lallysingh wrote: post #150
bane wrote: post #88

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I'm also at a company that's a 100% Google Apps and so have been forced to make a good go at it. - Gmail is great for near-term communications, having chat in the same place makes it a nice communications hub for immediate and near-term communications. I like it better than Outlook and it seems much snappier in day-to-day use. But I find it almost unusable when looking for emails from a while ago. It's so bad that I…

For #1, Hit the "Expand all" button (it's the one to the left of the print button at the top of the entire conversation. Then use Ctrl-F to search within.

I'll be honest, I had not thought to look next to the print icon for an expand all button and unless you told me what that was I would have had no idea what it was for.

Thanks!

Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by dav-id »

Recently I have been working on a project with a client where we have been using SkyDrive and its online Excel for simple and basic collaboration on a few documents.

The thing that I love about this setup is having the original Excel document sat there on the skydrive ready to be edited in the full Excel when more advanced editing is required and seamlessly updated on the web (although not at the same time, which is something I hope will be possible in the future).

Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by randac »

arthur_debert wrote: post #196
millstone wrote: post #181

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A lot of it is due to the limitations of HTML. For example, HTML is why Gmail paginates about as well as PHP app from 1998, instead of allowing you to just scroll through all of them like a native client.

Pagination does have it's advantages, namely: - Linking - Easier to grok where you are in the result set ( 3 out of 5 instead of the scroll bar that changes height)

Yeah, it works great in search results, much easier to understand for the average user...

Page 1: 1-20 of about 26... cool not too many to scan through

Page 2: 21-40 of about 46... oh

Page 3: 41-60 of about 67... errr

Page 4: 61-80 of about 87... seriously?

Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by Spearchucker »

selectnull wrote: post #213
etrain wrote: post #207

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To play devil's advocate - isn't the reason you're sorting so that you can find information more easily? Aren't you manually performing search yourself? While not perfect, I think searching for "from:sender" is more efficient than sort by sender.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Gmail has a different philosophy of working with data (search instead of sort) and I've noticed more than once that some people refuse to make that mental switch.

Ever wondered why sorting is an option at all? Search requires you to know something explicit about what you're looking for (without a search term you have nothing).

How about sorting by subject, email size or whether an attachment exists or not? Search is great, but only brings you to the item you want. After that you might want to explore related items (such as a mail from x that contained attachment y you can't remember the name of).

Outlook has a different philosophy of working with data (sort instead of search) and I've noticed more than once that some people refuse to make that mental switch.

What's happening here is consistency - our nearly obsessive desire to be (and appear to be) consistent with what we have already done. Once we've made a choice, we encounter personal and interpersonal pressures to behave consistently with that commitment. Usura sung a great song once. It was called "Open your mind".

Re: New Google Sheets: faster, more powerful, and works offline

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Post by csmuk »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #133
bhouston wrote: post #95

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Gmail UI sucks in part because they are going for the masses, not the power user. It isn't HTML5's fault.

Perhaps than they should give the masses their interface and give us a standards-based/compliant JSON interface. We're headed that way already.

That's IMAP, CalDAV, SMTP isn't it?

Where does JSON even need to come into it?

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