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Post by Havoc »

a3n wrote: post #177
Havoc wrote: post #129

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Personally I think it can't be reversed. Its too profitable and there are too many sheeple out there. As for something "altogether different". I don't see it happening. There are just too many powerful vested interest at work. e.g. We can't even get a HTML standard pushed through without DRM. This might sound cynical, but personally I feel its the end of an era. The internet used to be the wild west where anything is…

> Personally I think it can't be reversed. Its too profitable and there are too many sheeple out there. The "internet," i.e. TCP/IP, is still there pretty much as it always was. Google's interface is almost all web on top of the internet, Facebook too. Anyone is free to use anything else implemented on the internet. Fastmail makes a handy living at implementing smtp and imap on top of TCP/IP; their value is excellent…

Its a pity that fastmail is US based...I was actually looking for a Gmail replacement that can support own domains.

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Post by Hellenion »

tiziano88 wrote: post #166
lsc wrote: post #153

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>It's very hard for me to imagine someone who wants to try so very hard to maintain a serious public image that they won't be caught liking a silly cat video on YouTube. That seems hilariously self-important. Eh, I think this idea that we must live our whole life in public (to the /same/ public using the /same/ identity) is a bit insidious. Especially in these days of "cultural fit" - it leads to this idea that you n…

but then why do you "like" or "+1" the cat videos in the first place, if not to make it known to the world that you liked them?

I have liked a lot of things as thank-you or acknoledgement to the author. If I want to make something known, if I want to spread the word, I clicked the "share" button, that was its purpouse.

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Post by daliusd »

Shinkei wrote: post #140
spodek wrote: post #19

Experiences like this led me to leave Facebook, then LinkedIn, a while ago. I haven't deleted my Google+ account only because laziness and fear of an experience like the article's author prevent me from going to the site. People describe leaving as trendy, as if leaving had something to do with other people as opposed to the sites' own repellent behavior. For me leaving was easy and fun -- http://joshuaspodek.com/lea…

I am late to this party, so I doubt my comment will be seen but... I think you are oversimplifying the pros/cons of social media. Facebook and LinkedIn are incredibly useful as networking tools if nothing else. I can maintain a network of people in many different cities and countries and keep up on family/friend developments without talking on the phone for hours. Plus it makes sharing things like articles, photos, a…

E-mail and blogs can do that as well.

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Post by Hellenion »

scholia wrote: post #97
jlgreco wrote: post #51

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> They've all got much less usable since the fancy UI designers came in and screwed them up. See also, the decline of GNOME. This isn't a problem unique to Google.

True. See also: The New Yahoo...

And apperantly Win8 too.

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Post by lsc »

themacguffinman wrote: post #197
lsc wrote: post #153

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>It's very hard for me to imagine someone who wants to try so very hard to maintain a serious public image that they won't be caught liking a silly cat video on YouTube. That seems hilariously self-important. Eh, I think this idea that we must live our whole life in public (to the /same/ public using the /same/ identity) is a bit insidious. Especially in these days of "cultural fit" - it leads to this idea that you n…

Actually, the multiple identities thing you talked about is one of the new G+ features on YouTube. You can create a G+ Page, which is treated as a separate profile across YouTube and G+. This Page is internally linked to you (but no one can see the original owner) and you can switch in and out of it by clicking "Switch Accounts". Edit: forgot to mention, you have to explicitly connect the G+ Page to YouTube. https://…

huh. That is pretty cool. I mean, there's a lot of room here for 'human factors' kinds of screwups, but... that looks like they are heading in a reasonable direction.

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Post by josteink »

For those who consider deleting their G+ accounts:

Don't consider it if you're using Android, as some core apps will stop working then (like the photo-gallery).

Yup. It has come to this. Disable or delete your G+ account and your Android phone no longer works.

Google is getting pretty damn creepy. I sure hope the CM-team can come up with some decent replacement apps for all the stuff Google is fucking up these days.

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Post by daliusd »

haberman wrote: post #138
saidajigumi wrote: post #101

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Agreed. When G+ first hit the scene, before Google's big push to own and publish the unified identity for every physical human, Circles looked like a promising experiment. A lot of people I know who were fed up with Facebook started exploring Google+ because of that. Then Google changed directions entirely (along with the big management shakeup that flipped Google from a bottom-up org to a top-down org) and those ide…

Please explain how the idea of circles has been killed. I just went to the YouTube comment box, and right there is the control for what circles to publish to: http://imgur.com/3ZEB9Th

The main problem for me that in different circles I might have different persona (different name, different image, some parts of my identity not exposed - like my workplace). It is mask I wear is important not who I'm talking to.

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Post by daliusd »

themacguffinman wrote: post #200
saidajigumi wrote: post #80

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This and TFA hit to the heart of the problem with Google+: Google has willfully refused to acknowledge or understand that singular humans have multiple personas, and that we do not and cannot allow those to mix. Your professional face is not the same as your close-family personal face is not the same as your secret webcomic artist handle is not ... you get the idea. There are so many mundane variations on that theme,…

G+ and YouTube support multiple profiles. You can create a G+ Page, which is treated as a separate profile across YouTube and G+. This Page is internally linked to you (but no one can see the original owner) and you can switch in and out of it in G+. You can explicitly connect the G+ Page to YouTube, which provides you with a separate YouTube profile. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3479900

That introduces problem that I accidentally use wrong profile/identity (e.g. I'm in a hurry).

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Post by iamshs »

josteink wrote: post #216

For those who consider deleting their G+ accounts: Don't consider it if you're using Android, as some core apps will stop working then (like the photo-gallery). Yup. It has come to this. Disable or delete your G+ account and your Android phone no longer works. Google is getting pretty damn creepy. I sure hope the CM-team can come up with some decent replacement apps for all the stuff Google is fucking up these days.

Damn it. I have a Nexus 5 pre-ordered. Well.

Unrelated: http://i.imgur.com/wbjCmbt.jpg

Changing faces of Google is a scary phenomenon.

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Post by sesqu »

MichaelGG wrote: post #104
venomsnake wrote: post #40

Google has really lost its way to do UX. Google plus and youtube are not the one ones. I have no permanent way to disable Youtube asking me to merge accounts except goat sacrifice and writing directly to Larry Page - "If I rejected you 25 time why do you think I will agree on the 26th" I had to use Google Maps yesterday - the mobile app. Few things of notice - scale was never given on screen. Also there was not a way…

It seems unlikely that this is by accident and that people at Google are not aware of how annoying it is. Perhaps, just perhaps, they've decided they will make more money by forcing people to use G+. I see plenty of comments on YouTube, still of YT quality, with "Real Names". It's not like there's really a useful alternative to YT for most people. Google gets nothing from people commenting anonymously on YT. Annoying…

> Google gets nothing from people commenting anonymously on YT. Annoying those people is no big loss

The one message I keep hearing from people launching new youtube channels is "please comment". And as it happens, the comments on less popular videos tend to be of a higher caliber, too.

If Google drives away commenters from fringe videos, they will absolutely feel the loss down the line.

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