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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by mbreese »

leaffig wrote: post #184
rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

According to Bloomberg TV, Elop is returning to Microsoft, and Siilasmaa will serve as Nokia's interim CEO. My guess is that Elop will become MS CEO, and is not a bad choice. In his interviews, he comes across as someone really smart and eloquent. He is one of the few CEOs in the world with both enterprise and consumer experience that a future MS CEO badly needs.

In which case, for Elop, running Nokia really was the trial run that everyone feared it was when he started. The end-game was for him to be in position to take over Microsoft when Balmer stepped down. I guess he passed Microsoft's test then...

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by macspoofing »

BuckRogers wrote: post #201
macspoofing wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…

> Apple already lost to Android. That's not true. Apple's mobile devices are more profitable than any single line of Android devices. Also, sales of the iPad vs any other line of Android tablets, ie. Samsung's are not even close. Your comparison is no different than comparing Windows Server vs Linux servers. Yes, it might have hurt the market for WinServer a little bit (and Apple's iOS devices), but it's not like any…

>Your comparison is no different than comparing Windows Server vs Linux servers.

I think a better comparison is Mac vs. Windows. Windows won, but Macs are still thriving, and Apple is making nice margins. This is how I see iOS vs. Android playing out.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by macspoofing »

hippee-lee wrote: post #153
macspoofing wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we use language and imagery that most people understand.

Is this a question or a statement? Modern battle and war have very little in common with business. So, it is my opinion that the use is such terms waters down an otherwise reasonable well thought out comment.

Statement.

>the use of such terms waters down an otherwise reasonable well thought out comment.

This may not be a battle you're going to win.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by devx »

rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

Apparently there's no money in being a WP8 vendor either. Why do you think Nokia is selling out? And no other WP vendor makes any real money since all of their market share combined is less than 1 percent of the smartphone market.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by throwawaykf02 »

corresation wrote: post #124
throwawaykf02 wrote: post #104

There was some credible speculation back then that Google bought up Mototorola because its CEO threatened patent warfare with other Android manufacturers, something Google really did not want happening. Along similar lines, I speculate that Microsoft snapped up Nokia because they threatened starting an Android line of phones. I think there's a significant business lesson in here somewhere... Something along the lines…

Microsoft's own press release makes clear that they are not buying any patents. They are buying a 10-year license to Nokia's patents. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/Sep13/09-02An... This is almost certainly to lubricate regulatory approval, and because it unleashes a Nokia patent monster upon the lands.

Why yes, you're right! I totally missed that. And your rationale makes sense as well.

As for the Nokia patent monster, well... it's already been rampaging the countryside for a few months now. I haven't thought through the ramifications of this deal, but I wonder if it would allow them the same immunity that trolls enjoy?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by digikata »

corresation wrote: post #144
wmboy wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...they are not buying any patents. They are buying a 10-year license to Nokia's patents. That's basically the same isn't it? A patent can only remain active for 20 years, assuming most of the patents are several years old the majority of them will be pretty close to expiration in 10 years time. Note: I'm basing this on NZ patent law, but I assuming it's the same for any 1st world country...

That's basically the same isn't it? If Microsoft owned the patents they could enforce them against others. As a licensee, they simply protect themselves from Nokia enforcing it against them. As I said elsewhere in here, a Nokia with a big stack of patents and no hardware business is going to be an ugly thing for the industry: They can go gangbusters with patent assaults while having nothing for their victim's to atta…

So it smells like a very similar move to the SCO-attack on Linux. Microsoft competitors could get legally assaulted by a zombie Nokia while Microsoft itself is not associated with the legal fight.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by leaffig »

mbreese wrote: post #211
leaffig wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Bloomberg TV, Elop is returning to Microsoft, and Siilasmaa will serve as Nokia's interim CEO. My guess is that Elop will become MS CEO, and is not a bad choice. In his interviews, he comes across as someone really smart and eloquent. He is one of the few CEOs in the world with both enterprise and consumer experience that a future MS CEO badly needs.

In which case, for Elop, running Nokia really was the trial run that everyone feared it was when he started. The end-game was for him to be in position to take over Microsoft when Balmer stepped down. I guess he passed Microsoft's test then...

Nokia's board is the one that hired Elop away from Microsoft and was behind his every major decision. So I think the plans were set in motion at Nokia before Elop was even hired.

Read up this guy's profile, do you really think he would approve hiring Elop just like that without such an eventuality in sight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by b1daly »

nemothekid wrote: post #91
undoware wrote: post #48

Here's my take. Nokia's downfall has literally been the biggest business failure in the history of the planet - see communities-dominate.blogs.com for backstory. (As I mentioned in a previous post; I'm largely summarizing things Tomi proves with hard data.) My interpretation of this is that the increasingly untenable position of Stephen Elop began to incriminate the whole board, as any toppling of Elop would invite a…

Is there a specific post you wanted to highlight on communities-dominate.blogs.com?

You can start here to get a sense of the depth of this man's obsession to highlight how far Nokia has fallen. I find him to be a reasonably entertaining writer, he's crafted a dramatic narrative around the foibles of Nokia.

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/08/ballmer...

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by barista »

frank_boyd wrote: post #209
rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

> I hope this portends a Microsoft phone... I'm wondering, how can anyone buy and use a Microsoft phone, when we've learned that they partner with the NSA, killing our privacy?

Google does the same and their phones seems to be selling quite well.
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