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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by KittyKatt » Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 8:01 PM UTC

Zanthas wrote: post #210

NotUncivil wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The list of (supposedly substantial) things /g/ has made as compiled by /g/, today [1], is as follows: 1. http://aloonix.neocities.org/ 2. https://github.com/notuncivil/host-as-image [2] 3. https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch 4. https://4chan-x.just-believe.in/ 5. http://tox.im/ 6. http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ The above list is in no particular order. [1] https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S35615929#p35616305 [2] Full…

screenFetch was not a product of /g/. It was around before the Author even browsed /g/.

Creator of screenFetch here. sF is not associated with /g/ in any way. I created the script before I even started browsing /g/ regularly.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by eps » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 6:40 AM UTC

catsman wrote: post #207

latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

The legalities of this are very clear-cut. 1) Intellectual property laws state that the TOX project is not infringing on any copyright unless it directly takes assets from your logo. As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch. 2) Even if intellectual property laws did work that way (again, they don't) it's also incredibly obvious that the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of y…

> As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch ... the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of your logo

It is far from obvious. Linked posts show how they were stomping around a simpler logo for a long time busy with minor adjustments until someone posted a much improved logo, which just happened to be almost identical to the OP's. That was not an evolution.

But even that aside, you are viewing this situation all wrong. "Legalities", "legal ground to stand on", etc. The way Tox handled this is nothing short of peeing in a community pool. How do you envision Tox replacing Skype if the project leadership can't handle a simple dispute over a logo in a civilized manner? Look at latitude's creds, they should be wanting him on their side, but, no, let's mix him with a barrel of shit, because he dared to suggest that /gd/ might've ripped his work. Right on.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by catsman » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 11:38 AM UTC

eps wrote: post #212

catsman wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legalities of this are very clear-cut. 1) Intellectual property laws state that the TOX project is not infringing on any copyright unless it directly takes assets from your logo. As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch. 2) Even if intellectual property laws did work that way (again, they don't) it's also incredibly obvious that the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of y…

> As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch ... the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of your logo It is far from obvious. Linked posts show how they were stomping around a simpler logo for a long time busy with minor adjustments until someone posted a much improved logo, which just happened to be almost identical to the OP's. That was not an evolution. But even that aside, y…

Dared to suggest? The words 'oh, I see you helped yourselves to my logo' are the unhelpful ones in my opinion. Also, the fact that this post was here, in a public forum, rather than directly attempting to contact the TOX authors on their IRC channel.

Even so, demanding that a FOSS project (with extremely limited resources) scraps a perfectly fine logo and starts from scratch just because a similar logo exists is simply not a reasonable demand.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by eps » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 3:58 PM UTC

catsman wrote: post #213

eps wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch ... the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of your logo It is far from obvious. Linked posts show how they were stomping around a simpler logo for a long time busy with minor adjustments until someone posted a much improved logo, which just happened to be almost identical to the OP's. That was not an evolution. But even that aside, y…

Dared to suggest? The words 'oh, I see you helped yourselves to my logo' are the unhelpful ones in my opinion. Also, the fact that this post was here, in a public forum, rather than directly attempting to contact the TOX authors on their IRC channel. Even so, demanding that a FOSS project (with extremely limited resources) scraps a perfectly fine logo and starts from scratch just because a similar logo exists is simp…

Suggest you can, but I disagree on both points. The more I look at both logos the clearer it becomes that it's a blatant rip.

Given the 4chan "culture" both you and I know what the answer would've been if he'd go via the private channels.