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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by jellicle »

jedbrown wrote: post #157
Osmium wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.

""" The majority of passengers who replied to the Safety Board’s questionnaire were carrying at least one piece of carry-on luggage. Only 25 passengers (6 percent) reported having no bags with them in the cabin. Of the 419 passengers who reported that they carried on bags, 208 (nearly 50 percent) reported attempting to remove a bag during their evacuation. The primary reason that passengers stated for grabbing their…

It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choice to bring your bag. Your exit speed is determined by whether everyone else brings their bag, a choice which you cannot affect.

The people who brought their bags off the plane today have their clothes, laptops and passports tonight; they can go to work tomorrow. The people who didn't are locked up in a customs holding cell, wearing the same underwear, for a few days until someone can issue them a passport. They'll never get their bag back and the airline will, after filing dozens of forms, compensate them about $50 for it.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by dnautics »

ewang1 wrote: post #101
jka wrote: post #69

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Sincerely hope so - it may be a little early to tell though, he likely didn't have visibility of the full cabin and it's hard to tell what things are like inside.

That's David Eun, a Samsung exec, so he was probably up front in biz class.

the front section of the plane is theoretically the most dangerous part of the plane; survivors in plane crashes are most likely to come from just behind the wing.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by _delirium »

jellicle wrote: post #211
jedbrown wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

""" The majority of passengers who replied to the Safety Board’s questionnaire were carrying at least one piece of carry-on luggage. Only 25 passengers (6 percent) reported having no bags with them in the cabin. Of the 419 passengers who reported that they carried on bags, 208 (nearly 50 percent) reported attempting to remove a bag during their evacuation. The primary reason that passengers stated for grabbing their…

It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choic…

One obvious improvement, if your analysis is correct, is to apply some kind of more-sane treatment to undocumented immigrants who are undocumented due to an obviously anomalous situation, such as surviving a plane crash. If people really believe that the U.S. will treat them well if they do the right thing, they may be more inclined to do the right thing.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by paul_f »

david_shaw wrote: post #198
jasonmccay wrote: post #96

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KTVU is borderline comical ... they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense, could be dismissed. I was really surprised how unknowledgeable they seemed. Much better to just report what you know and not try to make up information (even just claiming it as conjecture). Online sources were far more valuable.

> they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense Agreed. I changed the channel (well, found a new live stream) when they said "it's likely that all or most of the passengers died" immediately after showing the photograph from the scene, showing many passengers leaving. The caption to the photo was "I'm fine, and everyone else seems fine." Really, KTVU?

KTVU was so bad that I had to take a screenshot of their website. A photo showed people walking away from an upright plane with the copy "after wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway upside down." https://twitter.com/pfreet/status/353599929039589376/photo/1

The death of journalism indeed.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by paul_f »

Stratoscope wrote: post #196
rapsourly wrote: post #114

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Is there a transcript available?

I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…

Thank you. Amazing job. Was hard to understand the audio.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by MattRogish »

robbiet480 wrote: post #2

(latest info at bottom of comment) ABC reports it was coming from Taipei, linked forum says Taipei. Video of aftermath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be . Redwood City FD responding. Unknown amount of passengers. SFO FD using foam on entire plane. FAA has now shut down operations at SFO due to "disabled plane" 3rd alarm called, "red" alarm called. Multiple reports that fuselage is in multi…

AVHerald.com report, which will be kept updated and also will eventually get NTSB reports:

http://avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by paul_f »

rossjudson wrote: post #178
Osmium wrote: post #62

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I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.

If you're in a plane crash, you're trying to evacuate, and the guy ahead of you is trying to grab his carry-on and the bottles of wine he bought in France before exiting, I am pretty sure it's perfectly OK to punch him in the face.

No jury in the world ...

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by LaGrange »

jarfcl wrote: post #174
LaGrange wrote: post #140

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My friend with flight anxiety actually got it from researching airplane safety. While they did learn about probabilities n'all, they also learned about way too many details, after which every single sound seems like the oscillating electron pump failure on Molvania flight 52317 where nobody survived the spontaneous atmosphere exit. It's not exactly rational, it's your silly brain suddenly deciding the specific probab…

I would recommend trying private airplane lessons (on a calm day) Being in control of an airplane helps a lot, and that feeling may transfer to commercial flights.

She tried. It was actually no problem, but didn't help. Apparently the lack of impact (i.e. "I'm gonna die and can't do anything about it") is exactly the point. In some ways it's hilariously similar to my social anxieties.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by [deleted] »

jarfcl wrote: post #174
LaGrange wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend with flight anxiety actually got it from researching airplane safety. While they did learn about probabilities n'all, they also learned about way too many details, after which every single sound seems like the oscillating electron pump failure on Molvania flight 52317 where nobody survived the spontaneous atmosphere exit. It's not exactly rational, it's your silly brain suddenly deciding the specific probab…

I would recommend trying private airplane lessons (on a calm day) Being in control of an airplane helps a lot, and that feeling may transfer to commercial flights.

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