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Re: iOS 7

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Post by vacri »

encoderer wrote: post #203
vacri wrote: post #193

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How does 'crashed to reboot twice in a day' convert to 'it's very stable'? It's this wilful disregard of negatives that bugs me about Apple culture. The good things are lauded, the bad things are ignored, unless they're bad things in other OSes, then they're highlighted as why Apple stuff is better. It's like at my last workplace, the Apple fan who was always getting another box from Foxconn telling me that Android w…

Seriously? This is the earliest beta of this release. Only bricking twice a day sounds "pretty stable" to me. I've had an iPhone5 since it came out and I've had one instance of needing to hard-reboot the device. Can't remember the details. OTOH, My previous phone, a Galaxy S2, had far more issues. Multiple times in my ownership -- at least 4 that I can remember -- I literally had to remove the battery to restart the…

We seem to be speaking a different language. To me, 'bricking' means you've hosed the system and it can't be recovered without low-level tools. A reboot crash is not 'bricking'.

My pedantometer also suggests that 'pretty stable' and 'very stable' are not the same thing. :)

Re: iOS 7

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Post by ghshephard »

rednukleus wrote: post #159
dionidium wrote: post #116

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Thank you for explaining exactly what the parent's comment made me feel better than I could. If you read a bunch of different people's opinions, then you shouldn't be surprised that what you get is a bunch of different opinions . Furthermore, why is the parent so interested in this idea of "Apple Users" as a group, anyway? There isn't really any such group (or, to the extent that there is, it's a very small group).

There was a significant group of vocal "Apple Users" who have spent a great deal of time over the last couple of years slagging off WP and Android for "bad design" and "stealing". It's to be expected that when Apple borrowed so heavily from WP and Android in this release that there are going to be strong reactions. It's perfectly normal for companies to be inspired by eachother and to incorporate the best elements of…

I've seen nothing but acclaim for the advances made by WP to the design language used on Mobile Devices. Gruber, TheVerge, MG Siegler - some pro-apple pundits, all seemed to really like WP7/8.

Can you point me to any prominent individual (pro apple or otherwise) who cast any dispersion on Windows Phone?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by dorian-graph »

vacri wrote: post #193
dorian-graph wrote: post #183

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I'm not FireBeyond but I've been using iOS 7 effectively all day yesterday (I'm in Australia) on my primary phone (iPhone 5) and it's crashed to reboot maybe twice, that's all. The majority of apps I use work perfectly or have tiny things that don't and some visual aberrations. Date picker, for example, has been fine in the instances I've used it. It's very stable and there is little lag. There's a ton of small bugs…

How does 'crashed to reboot twice in a day' convert to 'it's very stable'? It's this wilful disregard of negatives that bugs me about Apple culture. The good things are lauded, the bad things are ignored, unless they're bad things in other OSes, then they're highlighted as why Apple stuff is better. It's like at my last workplace, the Apple fan who was always getting another box from Foxconn telling me that Android w…

Before I had an iPhone 5 I used a Samsung Galaxy S which crashed much more frequently on stable versions of Android. I had to remove the battery at some points too to get it to start. I've never owned a Windows Phone so I can't comment on them.

I'm not apart of the Apple culture—I've had an iPhone for about 6 months and before that I used Android for ~ 2 years and had never owned any Apple products aside from a MbP—and I am not disregarding bad things. You've read a single comment of mine which was made in the context of using iOS 7 Beta 1 as a daily user. I've only made comments on iOS in 2 locations on the internet, once on this HN story and once in an invite-only forum. In the forum I listed many things that I don't like at the moment and feel needs polishing.

What's hilarious about your comment is that by a couple of ultra-geeks at uni I was called an Android fanboy because I used my SGS a lot, modded it, etc., haha. It would be hard for you to have been more wrong in your assumption, in regards to me. You will forever find in every group/culture people that ignore bad things and laud the good things, I've seen the same when I used Android regularly and elsewhere.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by leoc »

Can some kind graphic designer or art historian pinpoint what the art style (including the colour scheme) of the new app icons is based on? (Most obviously Photos, Camera, Clock, Game Center and Newsstand.) I know that it's a (probably) mid-late '60s colour-printing, cartoon-art or children's-book style (based on cut-outs or stencils?) but I can't identify it any more precisely than that.

In a way it's strange that iOS would adopt these icons at the same time that it's ripping out the skeuomorphisms. After all, beyond the complaints about wasted space, distracting textures and so on, the fundamental thing people have against skeuomorphism itself is that it's a put-on, a kind of play-acting. But so is the self-consciously retro and "themed" style which has now been applied to the home screen. I really like the icons, on the whole, though the new default background is too much. But they're too much of a novelty for me to want them at the centre of my life and work - which is where they will be for iPhone users - for (say) ten years. Not that anyone is even contemplating leaving them on the home screen for even four years, of course. But that's just the thing: they may (or may not, flame away) be good design, but they're unequivocally not timeless design. Or really minimal, self-effacing design.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by ghshephard »

tjoff wrote: post #83
jmduke wrote: post #34

Man, iOS 7 feedback is incredibly frustrating for no reason that actually matters. I feel like I spent the past few years falling in love with flat design, on mobile and on the web -- and I read article after article from historically pro-Apple bloggers/authors explaining that no, flat design was fundamentally a bad move: the strongest metaphor is that of the phone as a tool -- that we needed skeumorphism, we need hi…

what happened to Apple's relentless pursuit of quality before introducing something to the public? I has never existed. The secret is to not focus on versions. In time the quirks will get sorted out and if your users don't know when or at what version it became better they will assume that it has always been working well. First OS X? Terrible, barely usable even if there had been any applications for it. Current OS X…

Agreed and Disagree.

I agree, that Of course, Apple doesn't have a "Relentless pursuit of quality" before introducing something to the public. They ship Operating Systems fast, and fix problems as they discover them.

I'm still stuck on OS X 10.7.5 because of how screwed up my Operating Environment became when I (idiotically) upgraded from a wonderfully stable 10.6.8 to 10.7.0. So traumatized was I by the six months of kernel panics, hard freezes, and application problems (Mail, Finder, Spotlight - you name it) that were only mostly resolved by 10.7.4, and now, with only about 3 exceptions, 10.7.5, that I won't even consider upgrading to a new OS X until it's been out for at least 6-9 months AND has had a 90 day window with no major reports of problems. The 90 day clock just started for 10.8.4 on June 3rd - I'll consider upgrading in September.

I disagree, because clearly the versions "10.6.8", "10.7.0" and "10.7.5" are burned into my poor traumatized brain, and I continue to be nervous about 10.8.x - though there are a number of features I'm looking forward to (Better Exchange Support, iCloud support, messages, syncing with reminders (which I use quite a bit on my iPhone), Safari Syncing with my iPhone, etc...)

Re: iOS 7

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Post by encoderer »

Pxtl wrote: post #92
ja27 wrote: post #23

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I think Apple would be happy to lose all the "silver surfers" and regain their cool with teens, tweens, and young adults. Teens don't want the same phone that their grandmother has and they don't want the same tablet they're forced to use at school.

Idunno, I think Apple is already moving a bit away from the "pure cool" targeting and are just going to grab as much as possible now... the "mini" lines are a huge compromise on this because they're obviously created to be a low-cost alternative to their flagship platforms. Apple is the prestigious brand. Having a budget line compromises that image.

Companies can thread this needle just fine.

Go to a Mercedes dealership. You can buy a $32k C-Class or a $132k CL.

For that matter, go to an Apple Store. You can get a $400 iPod or a $90 Shuffle.

Or a $3000 Mac Pro or a $600 Mac Mini.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by m3mnoch »

no. it's not flat. it's not beveled and skeuomorphic. it's splits the middle. that's always bad -- as our friend yoda says, "do, or do not."

ios 7 basically says "i can't decide what i want. i don't want to be all textured and stuff because flat is cool! but, i also don't want to go straight-up flat because then i lose all the affordance like metro did. hrm... i know! let's do a little of each!"

no, indeed. this will end poorly for apple.

m3mnoch.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by dakimov »

"Content first, essence, clarity, bla bla bla..."

There is such a thing as AESTHETICS that everyone of those rationally-thinking-wannabe designers forget about.

People do not wear the same gray robes and do not live in an apartment with bare concrete walls.

To feel comfortable a human needs some visual complexity, this is a part of aesthetics.

Too much complexity is bad taste, too little is lifeless and primitive.

Also, people tend to have different taste.

Actually, the worst thing for me about iOS 7 design was that unexpectedly I perceived it as made with bad taste. It could be flat, focused, minimal, stylish — that would be fine, such type of design is not for everyone, but would be fine with me.

But the worst thing happened — bad taste. The problem with the design is that it is offensively and illogically colorful, and geometrically disproportional. It is not stylish, and it is not minimal.

I am appalled. And what is with the trash can Mac Pro design. Does Johny Ive really have bad taste?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by rdouble »

dakimov wrote: post #219

"Content first, essence, clarity, bla bla bla..." There is such a thing as AESTHETICS that everyone of those rationally-thinking-wannabe designers forget about. People do not wear the same gray robes and do not live in an apartment with bare concrete walls. To feel comfortable a human needs some visual complexity, this is a part of aesthetics. Too much complexity is bad taste, too little is lifeless and primitive. Al…

People do not wear the same gray robes and do not live in an apartment with bare concrete walls.

When I lived in the bay area I'd say 50% of my co workers lived in apartments with bare walls and wore the same outfit everyday.

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