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Re: iOS 7

#211

Post by midnitewarrior » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:51 PM UTC

miguelrochefort wrote: post #65

btipling wrote: post #5

The choice of colors and gradients look terrible. They made iOS look worse. They swung too far away from skeuomorphic design. Even the art on the icons, without considering the colors, look like an amateur drew them. Look at the SDK icon: http://i.imgur.com/JXw7KQA.png That is ugly. So is the iTunes icon, so is the Safari icon. Not a fan.

They tried to get away from skeuomorphism, but still some remains. Just look at PassBook or the ugly 3D browsing through tabs. The whole design simply is not well thought out. This has clearly been rushed, which is not something I expect from Apple. If iOS 7 was leaked, people wouldn't believe it's the real thing. Sadly, it is. I'm staying with Windows Phone.

I didn't know what Microsoft meant in their description of Windows Phone as "Authentically Digital" until I just saw the ugly bombshell Apple just left.

The new iOS looks half-baked, they can't do anything too bold, else they lose their metaphors, yet they can't do anything radical like Microsoft did without redefining their platform and re-educating their users.

Run away. Fast.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by jonhmchan » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:51 PM UTC

grbalaffa wrote: post #198

jonhmchan wrote: post #89

I realize that a lot of people will be focusing on the UI redesign for iOS 7, but the standout thing for me was automatic updates from the App Store. I think it's a huge thing for developers. One of the biggest pains I think we face as developers is software fragmentation. So far Apple has done a very good job of having users update versions of iOS and keeping consistent with hardware specifications - it's probably o…

Yeah although a big question is: what will that do to battery life? People who install lots of gimmicky, frequently-updated apps and forget about them after trying them once will suddenly be at a loss as to why their device suddenly doesn't hold a charge as long as it did before. I fear the auto-update feature combined with multitasking will drastically reduce the typical battery life of an iOS device.

That's very true. Though, given the volume of apps and the frequency of updates, I doubt it creates nearly as big of a battery suck than constant background running apps do (I'm looking at you Facebook).

Another point is that unless updates are being pushed constantly, I don't see why it would suddenly kill battery life more so than if they were pulled - it is just the timing of when to do updates (over time or "update all" as a batch - I doubt people actually distribute their updates according to battery usage).

Re: iOS 7

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Post by munificent » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:52 PM UTC

intrazoo wrote: post #108

munificent wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just because you have higher resolution screens, doesn't mean you can get away with a thinner sans serif. Yes, it does, actually. As resolution increases, so does the Nyquist frequency, which means you can accurately convey higher-frequency signals. In spatial terms, more resolution means finer lines without aliasing errors.

Surely there is a hard limit on this though (unless we have bionic eyes and/or small expanding robot fingers (like in ghost in the shell ( http://youtu.be/PkyZGZRnQb4)) )

Certainly, there is. Laser printers print at about 300 dpi and most users can't see any visible pixels there, so at normal reading distance, that seems to be close to the maximum resolution you need to visibly pixel-free from the user's perspective.

Going higher than that probably means thinner blank lines will just appear fainter and not thinner.

Re: iOS 7

#214

Post by whatusername » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:52 PM UTC

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #123

jonhmchan wrote: post #89

I realize that a lot of people will be focusing on the UI redesign for iOS 7, but the standout thing for me was automatic updates from the App Store. I think it's a huge thing for developers. One of the biggest pains I think we face as developers is software fragmentation. So far Apple has done a very good job of having users update versions of iOS and keeping consistent with hardware specifications - it's probably o…

> the standout thing for me was automatic updates from the App Store Also makes a lot of sense from a user's perspective. Click-to-update is so last decade.

Except for limited banwidth connections. I don't want my copy of Baldurs gate on my iPad deciding to update itself while connected to a 3G hotspot

Re: iOS 7

#215

Post by midnitewarrior » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:52 PM UTC

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #96

This comment thread is why the internet is bashing so hard on HN. This is so extremely negative and hyperbolic, It's hard to understand. There are certainly things to be criticized in iOS 7, but invoking a plea to the holy lord for answers, is a bit extreme. Can't we at least temper our criticisms with a few things we found positive and a good attitude? Let me give it a try. I am really excited about the control pane…

This isn't Apple's UI, it's everybody who owns an iDevice's UI, and it looks like people are taking this redesign quite personally...time to switch? :/

Re: iOS 7

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Post by snogglethorpe » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:56 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #76

The more I read comments on HN the more I wonder - what kind of project does the company has to release in order to get a positive comments from HN readers. It just looks like there is a bunch of losers who hate everything that other people do and complain about everything they see, instead of just being happy for something...

> what kind of project does the company has to release in order to get a positive comments from HN readers[?]

A good one?

Re: iOS 7

#217

Post by alexcroox » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:56 PM UTC

midnitewarrior wrote: post #215

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #96

This comment thread is why the internet is bashing so hard on HN. This is so extremely negative and hyperbolic, It's hard to understand. There are certainly things to be criticized in iOS 7, but invoking a plea to the holy lord for answers, is a bit extreme. Can't we at least temper our criticisms with a few things we found positive and a good attitude? Let me give it a try. I am really excited about the control pane…

This isn't Apple's UI, it's everybody who owns an iDevice's UI, and it looks like people are taking this redesign quite personally...time to switch? :/

I think I'd still prefer to look at iOS7 everyday than the turd of an interface that Android ships with

Re: iOS 7

#218

Post by stcredzero » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:57 PM UTC

josho wrote: post #111

dakrisht wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. WebOS + Android into one and the fanboys clapping

Really, you don't see the refinements? At first glance the multitasking UI looks like Palm's. But, if you listen to the keynote there is a whole lot of logic built on how it's done. Unlike my understanding of Palm/Android the apps are not continuously running and draining battery. Instead the OS chooses when to give the app cycles. E.g. the heuristic explained is something like: The radio is on and there is a strong…

> To me that seems utterly brilliant. My phone retains its battery life while the apps stay up to date. To me that is brilliant design and why I appreciate Apple products.

Apple is a lot like the old Mercedes: simultaneously innovative and conservative. Mercedes used to have a lot of new features in R&D years before the competition, but would still roll some things out after the competition, after they got it right.

Re: iOS 7

#219

Post by stcredzero » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:57 PM UTC

josho wrote: post #111

dakrisht wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. WebOS + Android into one and the fanboys clapping

Really, you don't see the refinements? At first glance the multitasking UI looks like Palm's. But, if you listen to the keynote there is a whole lot of logic built on how it's done. Unlike my understanding of Palm/Android the apps are not continuously running and draining battery. Instead the OS chooses when to give the app cycles. E.g. the heuristic explained is something like: The radio is on and there is a strong…

> To me that seems utterly brilliant. My phone retains its battery life while the apps stay up to date. To me that is brilliant design and why I appreciate Apple products.

Apple is a lot like the old Mercedes: simultaneously innovative and conservative. Mercedes used to have a lot of new features in R&D years before the competition, but would still roll some things out after the competition, after they got it right.

Re: iOS 7

#220

Post by encoderer » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 9:58 PM UTC

All I have to say about the redesign is: What looks cheap in still may seem anything but when its animated on a retina screen with the weight of the device in your hand.

Even now, it looks a lot better in video than in still.