I wish I knew someone who used Opera so I could ask them to start boycotting it.
I wish I could read the comments here without thinking "wow, the quality of reddit really has declined a lot", and then realizing "holy shit, this is HN".
My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
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Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I for one have started shedding the Google products. Im slowly switching to alternatives. I find Google creepy company and don't like being sold. I have 2 products left to drop.
"[I] don't like being sold." Are you serious? They are giving you a free and awesome product and you find it annoying that they earn money marketing to you personally? But not annoyed enough to completely stop using their products....
Three things:
1.) Not everybody thinks Google's products are so all-fired awesome across the board.
2.) Plenty of people find it very annoying to constantly be targeted by marketing everywhere they go. If it's free, you're the product - though that's not to say that simply paying for something protects you from abuse.
3.) Having a dig at someone for complaining about something but still using it is silly. Even if a given Google product is the best in its field, that doesn't necessarily make it the perfect solution.
Plus, there's the economic argument - if you've got to use Google whatever because you can't afford a paid alternative, you're essentially being made to participate in their marketing by not being able to buy your way out.
I'm not saying this is unique to Google, or that this is true across the board, of course, but it's not unreasonable in the slightest to be uncomfortable with the way they do business.
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use Opera on the desktop and on my mobile devices. So does my wife. I'm not going to stop using it because of a lawsuit, let alone for one that has not had any facts proven in a court. I really don't understand why people who don't know the facts of cases like this (i.e., you don't have an inside knowledge of the nitty-gritty), jump to conclusions to readily. Aren't we supposed to be a community of rational, though…
> I use Opera on the desktop and on my mobile devices. So does my wife. OK. We just need to find the other 10. Why do people get out of their way to use some marginal browser when there better both proprietary and open source options available? Just to add to the web another slightly incompatible rendering engine? Or do they really like the gimmicky extras that Opera offers that much?
I don't pay much attention to usernames, and yet I constantly see yours. Because virtually every post you make is totally non-constructive and unnecessary. Please stop. I am tired of reading absolute trash posts like that and thinking "gee, bet its coldtea again".
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Everything I like about FireFox (gestures, tabbed browsing, a reasonable bookmark manager), Opera did first. So? Do you still use Mosaic because it did first most of the important things Opera does now? How about sticking with IE, because it brought as AJAX first?
If Mosaic had a current version with a rendering engine and enclosing feature set as competitive as the current Opera is vs. Chrome and FF, yeah I might. But, as I said, I don't even use Opera right now, only because FireFox's add-on ecosystem makes it the better choice. But otherwise Opera is still a competitive, high-performing browser, and completely reasonable choice for the discriminating nerd. I never used IE.…
>Would you hypothetically not use a fast, super-compliant, feature-rich Mosaic out of an irrational bias?
No bias. I've tried to use Opera from time to time. Always stopped because:
1) Awkward UI. The QT theme engine it used (still has?) made it always look and feel off, in both Windows and OS X.
2) Some extra features (mail? download manager?) felt subpar compared to dedicated apps. Why would I need those in a browser anyway? That's why I stopped using Mozilla for Firefox 5-6 years ago.
3) The main operation of any browser, err, browsing web pages, was frequently hit with bugs, incompatibilities etc. I was always left out when browsing the more advanced HTML5 stuff, what with WebGL etc. And I never particularly liked the font rendering.
Some stuff I did like. But an incompatible engine and a bad look & feel didn't really entice me to keep using a browser. Mouse gestures etc, I could not care less, I find them gimmicky anyway.
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#215I'm also leaving Opera for good now.
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#216Fuck Opera. Their software sucks. Now even more.
Actually Opera's software the one that sucks the least in the browser market. Sorry.
I've tried to get into Opera every year for over the past decade. While I admit that they introduced many innovative features, they could never get them "right" and their UI was always ugly and unpleasant to work with. If anything Opera should be suing this guy for that.
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is incorrect. Any company must act in the best interest of its shareholders. A publicly-traded company must maximize profit because that's the implicit nature of it: I buy stock in the market because I want a return on my investment. But if all shareholders of a given company (say, Mozilla) want to produce something for the good of the Internet and not make a profit, that's up to the shareholders. A "non-profit"…
Corporations in the United States are legally obligated to maximize profit. It's not an implicit nature, it's an explicit legal requirement.
That's a common belief, but quite false. See Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company#Sig...
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#218I wish I knew someone who used Opera so I could ask them to start boycotting it.
Maybe the bigger problem for Opera will be attracting talent. I'd think twice before working for a company that had a history of suing its employees.
maybe you should think about not spilling company trade secrets to competitors. I'm not trying do defend Opera, but if an (ex) employee ( be it contractor or not) revealed or used the same thing that he developed for my company while i was paying him , i would probably sue him too. Now ... in this case there are a lot of missing facts, but in the general case, when it's about a lot of money , i think any sane CEO would decide to sue.
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#219BoycottOpera.JS :-)
if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Opera') !== -1) {
alert("Hello Opera User! I encourage you to uninstall Opera and use Mozilla Firefox instead. Click OK to learn why.");
document.location = "http://trondblog.tumblr.com/post/49192504201/so-my-former-employer-opera-software-has-filed-a"
}
Re: My former employer Opera Software has filed a lawsuit against me
#220Honest question: How would Opera Software prove in court that Trond Hansen stole browser ideas/feature concepts (if I'm reading it correctly)? Subpoena Mozilla's emails? My gut says if this goes to court it will devolve into "he said/she said".
It seems pretty straightforward. Trond Hansen was apparently paid to do some consultancy design work for Opera. After accepting his paycheck and moving on, he decided to take the design(s) he made while at Opera, and give it to Mozilla.
This doesn't sound like a very clever thing to do. It sounds very illegal indeed.