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Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)

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Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)

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It was his blood relative, for one. Two, they did not necessarily know the full power of the Ring. Third, Elves don't go around killing people without cause.

#Ahem# Aqualonde #ahem#.

If you are referring to the Kin-Slaying as the Noldor left the lands of the Valar, yes, that is precisely what he would have been trying to avoid.

Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)

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We know nothing of the culture of the giant eagles. It might be dishonorable as their leader for him not to.

I think it would be far more dishonorable to put himself in a position to be seduced by the Ring.

Culture isn't always logical or pragmatic.

Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)

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Actually Aristotle criticized using the "machina" (one of several instruments used in Greek theater) to resolve a plot difficulty: http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/poetics.2.2.html (search for "deus ex") I think Aristophanes also made fun of it, but I can't find that reference now.

As long as I'm getting upvotes for Classics stuff on Hacker News...: The Greek name for "machina" is μηχανή. It was used for more than just solving knots in a plot. In a way it was one of the earliest "special effects." I'm not sure what Clouds reference prospero means, but when Socrates first appears, up in a basket examining the heavens, he is probably on a μηχανή. I suspect this is a deliberate allusion to sophist…

That was what I was referencing, I was just on a phone at the time and didn't have the time or will to write it all out.

I didn't know about the latter example, though, thanks for tracking that all down.

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