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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

It's not about protecting your security, it's about protecting the "security" of corporate profits.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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> That's the "stuff they have to deal with"? No. It's the offensive fraud vector coming from unsecured devices that account for a significant portion of the noise. Requiring device profiling aggravates this vector.

> unsecured devices that account for a significant portion of the noise. Requiring device profiling aggravates this vector. Bullshit! Source: > The reality is that European laws are much harsher when it comes to payments and personal data protection and the security team I was being interviewed for was catastrophic Sounds like someone who wanted to impress the audience with fluffed up claims.

It's comments like yours that remind me of an important lesson.

Just because you argue with vigor and intent, it doesn't make you right.

People are offering their opinions, try not being a dick about it.

GrapheneOS is a privacy orientated OS which is great. But if the vectors to achieve privacy are the same as used by bad actors, I'd block it too.

Get over it, don't like it? Use a different product. Or make a better one.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#213
post #55

I also ran into the eBay application being blocked just recently. Other than that I've had no issues, but I imagine this is going to become more and more common as time goes on.

Most likely, unless the GrapheneOS user base can be grown quickly. We are at a point in time where the number of apps that block GrapheneOS through Play Integrity Strong is fairly small. So it's still possible to grow the user base since the inconvenience is not too large. Once the majority of banks would require passing Play Integrity Strong, far fewer people would switch.

So, best to grow the user base fast now and let every user send a complaint for every app that gets blocked. A few million users will be harder to ignore.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #142
post #34

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Critical mass? I had to start using it after moving to Germany, because everyone else expects you to use it. One of the ladies at daycare is leaving? Here's a paypal link to chip in for a good-bye present. Split a take-out order with a German friend, but he paid? Here's his paypal to send him your share. It's just assumed that everyone has paypal over here...

As a German that never has encountered PayPal in the wild and doesn't have a Paypal account either, your narration requires elaboration to be believable.

I'm not doubting you but I have a hard time believing that, as I see it all the time. Sometimes restaurants even accept it if they don't take card and then ask you to send to their private PayPal account as a fallback. It's even part of many German memes around the German way of always splitting the bills, even if it's just < 5 euros.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

Generally I think the issue is that there's a tension between your security vs Paypal's security (deliberate, motivated bad actors). Maybe an analogy could be about using metal detectors as a layer to reduce bank robberies. A gun in a good guy's hands is a good thing to prevent robberies. Guns in a bad guy's hands are a bad thing to prevent robberies. Paypal knows you have a gun but they don't know if you're a good g…

This might make sense if you trusted clients,

and if GrapheneOS was a root-having OS.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#216

Why would anyone still use PayPal after so many cases of accounts being banned and funds being frozen for no reason, and all the other terrible stuff they've done?

I simply use it as an intermediary between my bank and any website I don't fully trust

So both Paypal and Visa/Mastercard get a cut of every transaction. At least with a regular virtual card Paypal isn't getting their cut. Having Paypal as a middleman will make chargeback requests harder as well since they likely need to be negotiated with before the actual card issuing bank.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #91

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What requirements does it not follow? >(root) GrapheneOS is not rooted.

Yep, GrapheneOS is anti-user-freedom. They do their damndest to prevent owners from having full control of their property, over claims of 'insecurity'. And complaints of this nature get inane drivel responses of "lol just fork Graphene"

> GrapheneOS is anti-user-freedom.

This is a really, really poor-quality take.

> complaints of this nature get inane drivel responses of "lol just fork Graphene"

It’s a fork of AOSP, which you can just…use.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#218
post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

The safety isn't for you, it's for the companies who want your data without you getting in the way.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#219

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"The guy" probably let you know in a polite way that you were behaving immaturely. You're not supposed to ask your friends for money to split bills etc. The way grown ups do it is "I pay this time, you pay next time".

No, he didn't. He offered to cover a case of beer for after our game at the park, but he didn't have a car, so he asked me to bring it and he'll pay for it. Afterwards he came to me (I never brought up the topic of money) and asked for my Paypal details. How am I in the wrong here? The whole "I pay this time you pay next time" is already covered by "everybody brings a case once in a while", but if the guys without ca…

You weren't in the wrong, he was. He shouldn't have asked somebody to pay for something and bring it if he didn't have the money at hand to cover for it. PayPal isn't real money in this case.

If this was a long time friend, I'd let it slide. It's just a case of beer, and in Germany beer is dirt cheap. If this was a new acquaintance, I'd let it slide and take note that it's not a person to make friends with.

> If you're going to make assumptions, perhaps start with those that don't paint me in a bad light.

Good point. But all of this isn't a problem of payment systems, but of people's behaviour.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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"The guy" probably let you know in a polite way that you were behaving immaturely. You're not supposed to ask your friends for money to split bills etc. The way grown ups do it is "I pay this time, you pay next time".

This seems likely to be cultural, possibly even microcultural. I know many adults who believe that splitting bills is a normal and reasonable thing to do.

Splitting bills, where each pay a part in the restaurant, fine. Splitting bills where one pays and the other sends him money, not.
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