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Re: Grok 4.6

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Tay is not an LLM and was trained directly by its user base. Grok is trained by xAI that obviously wanted to turn it into a far-right talking point reciter but went just a little too far.

>Tay is not an LLM

Moving goalposts now. We're talking about AI chatbots, which Tay clearly was.

>Grok is trained by xAI that obviously wanted to turn it into a far-right talking point reciter but went just a little too far.

Yet here are the others doing the same thing: https://cybernews.com/ai-news/germany-rage-bait-ai/

Re: Grok 4.6

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I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_a... And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking about here…

Can someone help me understand the deep fake controversy? That's like making photoshop illegal.

Doing a good "deepfake" Photoshop requires skill.

With an AI model it requires the ability to speak or write, not much more.

Re: Grok 4.6

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It doesn't seem like Grok is being astroturfed, if anything the opposite. There are two Chinese models on the front page while this is on the second page as of writing. And there would always be so many comments personally attacking Musk whenever his company releases something. I think this is being CCP bot farmed.

Two Chinese models are open weight. What interesting going for Grok that it would overshadow all bad PR?

Qwen3.8 is, but DeepSeek-V4-Pro-0813 is not open weights yet, though they do have a good track record. Grok would be the best open-weights model if they released the weights right now. Elon supported Jensen's open weights letter last month, we'll see if he follows through.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Looks like the SpaceXAI api is adding a default system prompt to all requests. Annoyingly, the line about not mentioning these guidelines is superseding any instructions in the system prompt, causing the model to often refuse discussion regarding system prompts """ You are Grok, a helpful and maximally truthful AI built by xAI. Your purpose is to answer questions accurately, be helpful, and seek truth above all else.…

> Annoyingly, the line about not mentioning these guidelines is superseding any instructions in the system prompt, causing the model to often refuse discussion regarding system prompts If the prompt guidance is causing the model to be so paranoid about leaking the system prompt... how do we already have it ?

System prompts are more like suggestions than hard constraints.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

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Re: Grok 4.6

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Based on the discourse around Musk it seems like some people believe he's having some huge amount of input on - Rocket Design - Battery Chemistry - Frontier level AI research There's no way he's just a guy with a bunch of money paying smart people to do things.

Jensen Huang: "Elon is an extraordinary engineer. He is singular in his understanding of engineering and construction and large systems and marshaling resources."

John Carmack: "Elon is definitely an engineer. He is deeply involved with technical decisions at SpaceX and Tesla. He doesn’t write code or do CAD today, but he is perfectly capable of doing so."

Tom Mueller: "Elon is a super smart guy and he learns from talking to people. He’s so sharp, he just picks it up. He is leading the development of the SpaceX engines, particularly Raptor."

Eric Berger: "Elon is the chief engineer in name and reality."

Andrej Karpathy: "Elon has an incredible ability to reason from first principles. It’s very rare."

Robert Zubrin: "Elon Musk is a brilliant engineer with an extraordinary ability to cut through nonsense. When I met him it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001, by 2007 he knew everything about rockets – he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people."

Yann LeCun: "He’s a very smart guy and I’m in awe of some of his projects."

Garrett Reisman: "He’s obviously skilled at all different functions, but certainly what really drives him and where his passion really is, is his role as Chief Engineer. That’s the part of the job that really plays to his strengths."

Josh Boehm: "Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just some very technical work. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business. Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best."

Kevin Watson: "Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction. He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy. He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years."

Re: Grok 4.6

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I will say this: Grok Build has a very nice TUI! It even has... mouse rollovers/tooltips?? I was like whoa . I used Grok 4.5 for a security review the other day and it did a FANTASTIC job. I mean it thoroughly ROUTED my app's security, identifying attack surfaces I'd never even considered, and I LOVED it! (Guess why I had to use Grok to do the security review in the first place?!?! ) I'd suggest trying it out with so…

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Re: Grok 4.6

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As polarizing as grok is, it was basically inevitable for it to start being a real competitor given how much investment SpaceX made into its own inference capabilities. Seems if you are okay with it, there's no reason to use anything but the highest effort levels of some other frontier models for the price. I think Grok provides healthy competition to the other labs, though I do think they bank on groks reputation ma…

I use both Grok 4.5 and Opus 5. They’re both very good and Grok is faster and cheaper.

Opus 5 is terrible. I'd even say it's a step backwards from 4.8. I'm getting high error rates from it, and then it catches the error, and then it sometimes errors the error fix (!).

Just today I had to switch another agent to Fable with the instruction, "Please clean up the mess that Opus 5 made, thanks"

The other day, Sol called Opus 5's handoff (a skill I have that is basically a compaction, but just written to a file not tied to one LLM) "incoherent", that was a new one.

Opus 4.8 or Fable (at great expense) are the only ones that aren't frustrating for me.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Is that still a thing? I assumed they would have done something about it by now.

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> So it is still going on

How would you know?

> Just last week they were fighting Minnesota's law that makes creating this stuff illegal.

What law, and what evidence of fighting; and what evidence that their motivation has anything to do with what you allege?

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