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Google Maps becomes the App Store’s most popular free app in 7 hours

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Re: Google Maps becomes the App Store’s most popular free app in 7 hours

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Frankly, Tim Cook should shut down the entire Apple Maps division. Who in their right mind is going to use Apple Maps at this point? Try searching "Pier 39 San Francisco". The query can't be any more specific, and it's the most iconic location for tourists, and Apple Maps will bring you to a pretty shady area of town, only a mile or two away from Hunter's Point, one of the more violent areas of SF.

Oh come on. I like to make fun of Apple maps as much as the next guy but the reality is that they aren't that bad. Certainly a few more iterations and constant development effort will iron out any quirks.

First impressions are killer. Even if they're improving, there is a harsh stigma against Apple Maps now, much like Bing, because it didn't meet user's expectations. So users are being comforted by a familiar and useful tool, Google Maps, which many people can use on their computers (Why is Apple Maps not bundled into OSX? Error reporting could be done much more efficiently and abundantly).

At this point, many people will ditch Apple Maps for Google Maps. And because of this, they will suffer from having less crowdsourced error reporting.

By the time it's as reliable overall as Google Maps, they will need to have a clear advantage for users to switch back. Deep integration with iOS maps might be the key, but lots of apps will now be integrating with the Google SDK because of user preference. Tricky situation.

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Between this and the gmail release recently I think that some interesting times are ahead for apple. After I told my wife that Google Maps was available in the app store she sent me a text with a screenshot of her phone and the message "I'm pretty much using an Android phone!"

Her mail client is Gmail, she uses Google maps, and she browses with Chrome. If google went all out with a Google Calendar app I bet she'd use their client too.

What does it say for Apple when an iphone user has apps for all of their big use cases provided by a direct competitor?

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How many startups just said "ah fuck it!" now that Google Maps is back on iOS? Back when Apple removed Google maps I thought there would be four stages to this fiasco: 1. Apple Maps are introduced and nobody likes them. Google Maps are nixed and some bullshit reason is given for not letting them back into the ecosystem for a while. 2. A bunch of people see an opportunity to create something that Apple will buy. They…

As others have mentioned maps is an under appreciated 'hard problem.' (kind of like search in that way :-) When its done well it looks pretty straight forward, lay down a tile with your current location, populate it with things from a database that are 'near' that location. Choice of tiles and points of interest based on user preferences. How hard can it be right?

So first there is raw data collection. That is a pretty capital intensive process and its never really 'done' because the world changes a lot, so you need a data collection 'process', sort of like building a really complex software product that you can periodically 'tag' as a release and push out. The capital costs from either on the ground surveying, or aerial imagery. Its not acceptable to put a circle on the map and label it "Tokyo", there are streets and houses and buildings and parks. So the capital intensive part is taking aerial photographs, or satellite imagery, and post processing it into your tile layers. And that just gets you to one level of gross detail, there is so much more than that.

Because of the intensive capital investment folks who get map data understand they have a valuable bit of information. Its one of those things where it would cost big bucks to acquire it so you can sell it to others who want it.

Then there are points of interest, who are all the businesses in downtown? What are their hours? Are the streets one way? paved? gravel? private or public? Are there travel restrictions? All of this data can be gathered by on the ground vehicles but that takes time. (or a lot of money if you do it in parallel) and all that data has to be fused together into something which associates places with data. So think about how you would represent that vector from lat/long pair A to lat/long pair B was one way on weekdays and not on weekends?

One of the things that is really clear is that Google benefits Hugely from having their own in house search capability. That provides a treasure trove of points of interest. But did I mention search is hard? So any good mapping solution ideally has an in house search engine associated with it. Look at MapQuest, one of the originals, it was a search engine getting traction as a mapping application. Look at Microsoft, look at all the data they populate in their maps from Bing.

So there are at least three really really hard problems to solve before you can even worry about the user interface and how to interact with maps, data collection, data fusion, and web search. I'd be surprised if anyone felt they could just 'jump in' from a standing start and build a maps application in less than about 5 years these days.

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Agreed. Google should have kept maps as an android-only product. Whatever ill-will Apple has gotten over maps is now gone because "I can just install google maps for free now!"

I disagree, Google's long term play isn't to "own" a platform and have everyone live in it (a la apple/microsoft). Google is an internet company and it's overall strategy is to have everyone on the internet. Because if you are on the internet, chances are you will use a Google product (by choice). Google doesn't care about iphone vs android. Google only cares that you are using the internet. An iphone/ipad is an expe…

This makes the most sense to me, but is Google's strategy really that open-ended?

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Only if there was a way to set Google Maps as the default map/address-finding app. Anyone know how to accomplish this? Right now, touching any addresses you have saved under a contact will open up Apple's Maps app.

Apple doesn't like users changing default applications, it's part of their world-renowned and expert UX. Didn't you know?

The solution is simple and explained here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4914316 - switch to Android.

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On iOS it appears they're a mixture of bitmap tiles and vector text. I definitely see pixelation of roads at certain zoom levels.

Can you give steps to reproduce? I was looking specifically at road outlines and they seemed like they were definitely vector. Satellite views are obviously bitmap.

I don't have an iOS device, but here are my steps to reproduce on Android. Open a map. Turn on airplane mode. Zoom in. See pixels

Here's a screenshot I took after I enabled airplane mode: http://i.imgur.com/wc5Ie.png

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I'll admit it, I am one of the 4-star raters. I took it down a notch for not at least including a "zoom out" button. I can double-tap to zoom, but I sure as hell can't pinch to zoom out. I think that UI flaw is one of the most ignored in all that exist in iOS.

You can double-tap-keep-finger-down-then-move-finger-down to zoom out with a single hand.

and you can two finger tap to zoom out one level.

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No wonder he is the CEO and you aren't. Think LOOOOONG term, in a few years Apple will catch Google for the most part (hello AAPL bank accounts and increase of usage!) and Apple will not depend on a major competitor for a crucial aspect of the mobile world. Google is the loser, despite Apple having a few growing pains.

A good CEO knows when to stop throwing good money after bad. Apple will NEVER reach the search domain expertise of Google, and Maps is too valuable to let turn into a complete debacle, as Apple has learned. We have given Apple so much money THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH IT. They have $120B in the bank, more cash than any other company has ever had. They can buy very famous companies for cash, like Cisco, Dell, Fa…

Apple needs to hold cash to finance new production facilities. If they want to suddenly make a new hardware product that requires new factories and a supply chain, Apple will be able to fund that and beat others to the market while exerting control over the supply.

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Agreed! This happens with my own app as well! Apparently the app title , even when an exact match to your search query, is no longer considered important. If there is one thing Apple truly fails at, it is search.

The Android Market had this same problem in the early days. It was frustrating but pretty amusing how terrible Google, of all companies, was at getting search right in their app store.

still does. Try searching for something relevant, see where an app with that exact name is placed.

    Example: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=child+books&c=apps  
The app named "Child Books" comes after coloring book, Nook, WebMD and many others. It's just that popularity matters MUCH much more than what you actually search for, and it takes days from the moment of getting popular (Google Maps style) to the moment when the algorithms start noticing.

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'Apple has in the past been known to make things with the ultimate attention to detail and things that "just work"' I don't know why people continue to believe this. Apple has released versions of the Finder with amateurish bugs that delete files[1] and versions of Mail that randomly delete messages[2]. Several versions of Mail on iPhone send hundreds of copies of a message when emailing a link from Safari[3]. The Ma…

"shiny stuff that doesn't work" Give me a break. Name an international company with 100% success in user happiness and usability with their product(s). Go ahead, try it. Also, don't act like Android hasn't had faults and failings on their own. Or Windows. Things aren't ever perfect. The only time there is a real binary system is CS. The world is gray, and Apple has been consistently better than bad. They've been good…

I didn't claim that others' products were perfect. That would be strange. My point was that Apple enjoys an undeserved reputation for quality.

"Apple has been consistently better than bad"

I think my links show that this is just not true, but that might depend on what you mean by "consistently".

Their track record shows a cynical, almost sinister pattern of choices on their part: hoard $120 billion in cash while shipping software with a beautiful visual design that, under the glossy surface, is unreliable, inadequately tested, and, in some cases, demonstrably hobbled together by inexperienced or incompetent engineers: shiny stuff that doesn't work.

This is a deliberate choice, since with all that cash they could hire the best talent and make it policy to ensure that nothing gets out the door that would earn a CS undergraduate a failing grade. Instead, they've chosen to invest in maintaining the illusion that their software "just works" and is empowering, while harboring an increasingly obvious contempt for their customers.

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