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Re: Did they ghost you?

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In the company I worked for, we were strictly prohibited from saying anything other than “name, rank, and serial number” (date of arrival, date of departure, position). It was a legal liability issue. I’m told it’s pretty much de rigueur , these days. One of the nice things, after leaving, was finally being able to give good references for former employees, for whom I really wanted to give glowing references.

> “name, rank, and serial number” That's what you give if captured as a prisoner of war.

I know. It was a figure of speech. Should have known better than to try.

Sorry about that, Chief (also a figure of speech, but a bit more obscure).

Re: Did they ghost you?

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I big red flag for what? your social habits? lol - i guess if you have to work in a team then yeah, that would be important. but some jobs you just need to get in the truck and drive or w/e, but recruiters still stuck in the time old habit of asking for 3 references. its weak.

I imagine even in such a job, your shift lead, team boss, or warehouse manager or whatever, would be able to confirm "yes, Bob worked here in truck driving capacity from 2022 to 2024". References have many levels of usefulness, but the bar starts low - did this person actually perform the job / hold the role they claim in a resume. Next, and the one I'll agree you don't get as much in modern environment, is how much…

Thanks for the perspective, I like the low bar usefulness, without that people can claim anything on their resume I guess. But I really dislike the opinions on peoples usefulness aspect. Much better to start someone off on a 3 or 6 month trial and if you think theyre not worth the money let them go. Heck, even keep the 6 mo review going forever if you want.

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#215

Anecdotal, I know, but I was ghosted by Google back in 2004-2005 or thereabouts. Back and forth with a recruiter, who promised me that she would book phone screens. Then heard nothing. Pinged her repeatedly. Nothing. A few years later got another Google recruiter after me. Ended up getting hired in 2008. Looked up the previous recruiter. Her last day at the company was the day she promised she would book phone screen…

A few years ago I was "between roles" and applied for a developer position at Roku. For a short time they seemed moderately interested, and I exchanged a few emails with a senior in-house recruiter. And then they went completely quiet - no response to my follow-up emails. So I just put it behine me and got on with looking for a job. Just over a year later I received an email from another in-house recruiter at Roku, t…

> redundancies

Surely you meant lay-offs, or firings, not this corporate-speak.

Re: Did they ghost you?

#216

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If you can't get three people to vouch for you, honestly or otherwise, then that's a pretty big red flag.

I big red flag for what? your social habits? lol - i guess if you have to work in a team then yeah, that would be important. but some jobs you just need to get in the truck and drive or w/e, but recruiters still stuck in the time old habit of asking for 3 references. its weak.

A truck driver has to deal with a lot of people at the two ends of the trip and needs to work in a team.

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The big issue is that a lot of companies don’t allow asking their employees for references. Many even require references for their own hiring process (!!!)

Can you elaborate? Many companies don't allow details, but are allowed to confirm a person was employed in a specific role. That's in many cases a sufficient to serve as a reference. E.g. In my company we have a very strict policy for this, but are still allowed to answer "yes, Bob was employed as problem manager team lead from 2023 to 2025". Conversely as a hiring manager, I'll take that as a minimally sufficient da…

My understanding is that the "were they employed" thing is covered by background checks. I know equifax (experian? I always get them confused) have a product where they will reveal your past titles AND your salaries. It's a little wild and I don't like that, but the point is that I don't think you gain much info from "yes they worked here" from HR.

A reference is really intended as a statement of character IMO. "They worked here" from HR, who doesn't know you, is not that.

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#218
I got email offer from Snowflake with numbers after a full round of office interviews. They first matched me with a team and then themselves decided to pivot me to another team. I wasn't feeling fully interested in second team's work; the manager told me it's completely OK to explore with 1-2 hiring managers before accepting. I asked the recruiter to help connect. The next email was "Thank you for your time!" and ghosting on all follow ups.

Re: Did they ghost you?

#219

I had a Meta recruiter talking to me a while back (maybe 5 years) and she ghosted me. Found her obituary online a couple weeks later. Recently, had another Meta recruiter ghost me but that’s because of the Meta layoff round robin. Probably for the better since FRL has more or less been gutted due to AI focus.

I had an interview and no response. The interviewer got into a horrible car accident. Bad stuff happens.
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