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AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by mapontosevenths »

jasonkester wrote: post #196
Forgeties79 wrote: post #153

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When it comes to the specific case of people just mindlessly copy/pasting LLM’s: No, I asked them to help and they offloaded it without applying any of the expertise I specifically asked for. If they don’t want to give their opinion or their expertise they should say “no.” It’s a valid response! If I’m asking for you to give your time and you don’t have time to give, that’s fine! But don’t just throw my question into…

> We’ve just got this wild culture where everyone puts such a premium on their own time but now doesn’t value anyone else’s My favorite example of this is dropping a random acronym into a message board reply and repeating it five times without ever defining it, expecting every single person who reads your post to google it themselves to understand what you’re talking about, thus saving you having to type three words…

Its the same root cause. The asker has no "theory of mind".

Often they are neurodiverent. Sometimes they're just overwhelmed with whatever it is they're asking about and dont have time to consider other peoples perspectives.

Its why after decades of having Google in everyone's pocket people still post questions a simple Google search would have solved.

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

brokensegue wrote: post #175
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #159

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It seems perfectly representative of AI and AI users.

Why didn't they use a model people actually use?

Because they would have had to dig a little more to find trivia it gets wrong. They don't care about "which AI is the best for little facts about movies," they care about "what do people do when the AI gives them a response".

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by Ukv »

infermore wrote: post #161
adroitboss wrote: post #136

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If the source is a person instead of an LLM, you still wouldn't be able to evaluate what was said. This is nothing new.

yeah you would... you'd think about what they said

The six questions they asked were:

> 1) What animal is on the bow of the pirate ship from “Asterix and Obelix”?

> 2) In the movie “The Grand Budapest Hotel”, what is Agatha’s signature hairstyle?

> 3) What color is the team’s uniform in “Bend It like Beckham”?

> 4) What vehicle does Monica drive in “Like a Cat on a Highway”?

> 5) What color is the turtle in the animated movie “Momo” by Enzo d’Alò?

> 6) What pet animal does Asenath have in “Joseph King of Dreams”?

Most of these are just a matter of knowing it or not, where you can't really distinguish a plausible answer from the correct answer just by thinking.

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by ipsento606 »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #122
pebble wrote: post #112

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Sometimes a well-meaning fool is worse than no help at all.

That doesnt excuse you from the obligation to be civil. Especially given that the other party was trying to help.

replying with LLM generated text without clearly labelling it as LLM generated text is inherently dishonest

I'm a pretty civil person, but I won't go out of my way to be extra polite to someone who is being actively being dishonest towards me

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by Forgeties79 »

jasonkester wrote: post #198
mapontosevenths wrote: post #172

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> I too have access to LLM’s. You should have stated what you already tried then. You didn't, so they did the obvious thing for you... to do you a favor. If you'd tried something before asking them surely you'd have told them that at the start, right? > as evidenced by all the slop dumping I see more evidence of lazy questions. A good question includes what you've already done to help understand the issue (often refe…

Can we save everybody having to put “I know about ChatGPT, but I’m asking for advice from an actual human who has experience with this so please refrain from answering if you’re not one of those” on every post they make, and just have that be a baked into the etiquette when discussing things online?

Right? I feel like this isn’t that complicated unless one has a very hostile, zero-sum view of relationships. If you ask me a question I assume you have a reason for asking me. I don’t need you to prove it to me.

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by Forgeties79 »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #210
Forgeties79 wrote: post #176

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> You should have stated what you already tried then. You didn't, so they did the obvious thing for you... to do you a favor. If you'd tried something before asking them surely you'd have told them that at the start, right? I’m not sure what you mean here, might be a misunderstanding. My point is don’t use your LLM and simply paste it. I have an LLM, I can use it too. We all have access to them. We should all operate…

> We should all operate under that assumption We've all had access to Google for decades. People still don't Google things. If you go around assuming that other people are competent and did the work you would have done you will be disappointed a significant percentage of the time and waste a lot of everyone's time.

So every time someone asks you a question you open with “did you google it?” or you expect them to detail all the effort they’ve put into searching already? Am I reading this right?

Also I do live like that and I’m not disappointed. I don’t mind giving people around me my time and rarely do I feel it’s being abused. People have all sorts of reasons for seeking human input, plus I see it as a nice compliment when they ask for my expertise. If you feel the folks around you are more often wasting your time than not than that strikes me as a different issue with several potential explanations.

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by daveguy »

mdp2021 wrote: post #199
rsoto2 wrote: post #181

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All AI is flawed and prone to "hallucinations"(doing exactly what it was designed to do) that's why Microsoft considers it an "Entertainment" product.

....Dangerously suggestive post, when you show you don't have a proper idea of "AI" or won't use the term 'AI' properly.

Yes, definitely a case of bad-think.

Certainly not double-plus-good like AI.

Dangerous.

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by brokensegue »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #212
brokensegue wrote: post #175

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Why didn't they use a model people actually use?

Because they would have had to dig a little more to find trivia it gets wrong. They don't care about "which AI is the best for little facts about movies," they care about "what do people do when the AI gives them a response".

But surely people's willingness to listen to an AI is contingent on their past experience with this model

Re: AI advice made people less accurate but more confident – sudy

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Post by [deleted] »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #117
hinkley wrote: post #34

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There are some people I'm not friends with anymore who didn't understand conversational bidding. They would jump straight to Why Don't You Google That and shut down any conversation we might have had. Yes I could get some of this information off of IMDB or a DIY video but I'm looking for color commentary and regional advice, and also in some of these situations, the people I asked know me. They know the sorts of thin…

> There are some people I'm not friends with anymore who didn't understand conversational bidding. To you the "bid" feels like a genuine attempt to connect, that may be a bit indirect. To some people it feels more like you are being disingenuous or awkward. They instinctively feel that your intent doesnt match your words and it sets off alarms bells. The fact that you're on the internet judging the other party negati…

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