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Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Legitimate question, in the early days was this a large distinction? Specifically, my understanding was that the earliest raids where this distinction is most accurate, they didn't actually change the local societies much. Mostly were raids for resources and did not stay. That is, until the Islamic raids started, the indigenous groups took losses, but were not nearly as transformed. Is that not accurate?

Well, the distinction mattered. But because the distinction mattered, the modern labels aren't really accurate. Arabs were the highest-prestige ethnicity within their empire. But they were numerically insignificant. You have "Arabs" and "Copts" in Egypt today, but most of the "Arabs" are Copts whose ancestors decided they wanted more respect. Same thing is true farther west, where the "Arabs" are Berbers.

That isn't really addressing my question, I don't think? The assertion is that most of the Arab mixing into region came at the same time as the later invasions. Yes, they would have remained fewer in absolute numbers. But they weren't even there after the earlier raids.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Its been the most anti-slavery religion and was the main motivation for the abolition of slavery. There is no Christian objection to 'miscegenation' and its a weird concept only taken up in America and a few other places like South Africa during apartheid, and it owes more to race science than Christianity.

> Its been the most anti-slavery religion and was the main motivation for the abolition of slavery. Which branch of Christianity though? There was a huge disparity in approaches in new england colonies (ie rhode island thought the indigenous should have rights, Massachusetts couldn't give a shit about anyone other than the elected.) A lot of the english abolitionists were radicals, well outside the mainstream. The Qu…

There was always Christian opposition to slavery much of it from the mainstream as well as radicals. St Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa, several Popes and . Several Christian kingdoms (including England) abolished slavery and/or slave trading in medieval times.

The US has tended towards justifying slavery, and its arguments included the ¨curse of Ham" borrowed from Muslim slave traders. British colonies in the Caribbean produced censored version of the Bible for slaves.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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The older I get, the closer in time these ancient civilizations become. It's really not that many lifetimes away. It's stunning the progress humans have made since then.

What progress are you referring to? The shiny blinky things that scroll across our screens while the poor stay poor, war rages everywhere and the internet is overwhelmed with fake AI generated content. The more I look back into history, the more I realise that besides the sparkling blinky-blinky gadgets, we have made no progress at all - on a species level. We’re still living in caves, we’re still believe in God myth…

> The more I look back into history, the more I realise that besides the sparkling blinky-blinky gadgets, we have made no progress at all - on a species level.

2019–2020 world average life expectancy at birth was 72.6–73.2 years. In 1950 it was 45.7–48. In 1900 it was 31–32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

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