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Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by skybrian »

Havoc wrote: post #193
Legend2440 wrote: post #92

Bad headline. Popular ad blockers have already switched to MV3, and MV2 has already been disabled for all users.

The headline is correct. The popular ones like uBO are 100% dead on Chrome thanks to googles coercion. They didn't just "switch". They had to fundamentally change how they block ads and the new version the adtech company forced upon everyone...drumroll...is less effective at blocking ads. What a coincidence! Per uBlock: >uBOL will be less effective at dealing with websites using anti-content blocker or minimizing web…

uBlock Origin Light is still pretty good though. Maybe it's good enough for most people?

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by londons_explore »

maxloh wrote: post #168
_flux wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression MV3 is stricly less capable in terms of blocking ability than MV2?

Yeah. MV3 is a faster but less capable version. With MV2, every request must be filtered with slow, JIT, garbage-collected JavaScript code. In MV3, filtering is handled by native browser code using the list provided by extensions. UserScripts could be used to modify the DOM, but that requires power users to manually enable it. There is a limit on how large the list can be, depending on the browser.

But a list of like 100 domains will get rid of most major ad services.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by hliyan »

advisedwang wrote: post #143
siren2026 wrote: post #100

Google revealing how evil they really are. That was always the plan with Chrome. Put B$ of engineering efforts into creating a nice browser and pushing people to switch over. Once everyone is addicted and forgot about the competition, start to quietly make it more and more of a Spyware. Chrome has always and will always be an attempt at controlling the client side of the funnel to be in charge of how much ads they ca…

> That was always the plan with Chrome No. The original plan for Chrome was to save money on "traffic acquisition cost" (The cash they give to Mozilla and Apple to be the default search engine) by moving users away those company's browsers. Buuuuut, once Chrome turned out to dominate the browser market, the temptation to abuse that dominance was too much.

Just goes to show that no one with power can be relied on to self-regulate the use of that power. Power being any ability to nudge another human being toward actions that are not purely in their own self interest.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by notafox »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #26
ramijames wrote: post #8

Use Firefox. It's an excellent browser and needs your support.

The UX aesthetically could use more polish, but agree it is an excellent browser replacement for Chrome.

You can user userChrome.css [1][2][3]

You can start with this page[4] for an examples of simple, but elegant styling.

And /r/FirefoxCSS can demonstrate all kinds of crazy options userChome.css enthusiasts can come up with.

[1] https://www.userchrome.org/

[2] https://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css

[3] https://old.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/wiki/index/tutorials

[4] https://www.userchrome.org/firefox-89-styling-proton-ui.html...

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by worldsavior »

capitainenemo wrote: post #140
netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so?

Yeah. Take Firefox choosing to create PDF.js to have a clean minimalist sandboxed PDF parser. Chrome instead used an existing one that has been the source of dozens of vulnerabilities. Or Firefox pulling in a ton of anti-fingerprinting measures from the Tor team. Not even worth talking about anti-fingerprinting as a serious consideration in Chrome. Rust - a mozilla effort that resulted in code from servo being pulled…

Everything you said don't really matter when there is basically no site sandboxing on Android and desktop.

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Post by lightedman »

Noaidi wrote: post #126
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

I prefer an ad (and porn, gambling, social media) blocking host file myself.

Many browsers and programs now days ignore HOSTs.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by epihelix »

tapoxi wrote: post #120
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

The great thing about FOSS is that nobody can stop me using it, and nobody can force you to use it. We can all be happy.

The great thing about Firefox "losing" the "war" is that Chrome users' ad viewing essentially pays for my internet, and with only 2% market share, nobody will pay any attention to those of us still blocking ads. Sometimes you lose the war, but still end up winning the battle :)

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Post by Loquebantur »

insanitybit wrote: post #203
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don’t see this being sustainable long term when you’re upstream is doing everything they can to sabotage you. This is a huge maintenance burden for Brave and eventually there might be a breaking change introduced by Google that just makes this approach no longer tenable. Mozilla is extremely friendly to content blockers, and does everything they can to make sure they are well supported as first class citizens.

How is Google doing "everything they can to sabotage you"? MV2's deprecation timeline was set in 2021, slipping further repeatedly. This is after they had already started the plan in 2018. It's been nearly a decade.

Boiling you slowly still means they're boiling you.

They don't boil you fast, because they can't: you would balk at that.

In other words, taken together, they do all they can to boil you on that issue and kill ad-blockers.

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