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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by mapontosevenths »

nailer wrote: post #100
mapontosevenths wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't executing arbitrary code kind of the entire point of NPM though? Any chance you have a link to something that describes their plans?

> Isn't executing arbitrary code kind of the entire point of NPM though? No. npm is a package manager. As mentioned in the comment you're replying to, almost all package managers execute arbitrary code. Eg: - pip - Cargo - apt/dpkg - dnf/yum - Homebrew - RubyGems - Composer (limited) - Maven > Any chance you have a link to something that describes their plans? https://github.blog/changelog/2026-06-09-upcoming-breakin…

I get what you mean, but an NPM package is just a tarball of arbitrary code and some metadata. The whole point of it is to eventually run that arbitrary code, presumably. Otherwise why would you want to download the tarball and extract it? In fact, what purpose does NPM even serve if it's just a way to host tarballs?

I get the install time and run time execution might feel different, but I don't see how that's a security boundary at all.

I suspect that everyone will just get into the habit of typing --allowScripts all or whatever and nothing will actually change, because there's no point in a version of NPM that doesn't properly set things up for most people.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by keoneflick »

gruez wrote: post #194
Alifatisk wrote: post #89

Xiaomi have been cooking a lot in recent times. Their model, especially the pro series, is underrated in my opinion. It haven't received the attention it deserves while it is pushing higher and higher in benchmark scores (looking at artifical analysis), and this was before Deepseek dropped V4. Furthermore, their pricing plan is insanely cheap, they even upped usage limit for their cheapest plan, lite plan, which is a…

>Furthermore, their pricing plan is insanely cheap, they even upped usage limit for their cheapest plan, lite plan, which is at 5$ / month. Unless something changed their plans aren't really worth getting. They're not that much cheaper than the per-token rates, and because it's a plan, you have to contend with weird usage restrictions. You're better off paying per-token unless you have some use case that demands a ve…

Wow. I saw 4.1B credits and thought it was super generous. But my math says the subscription plan gives less value than the API.

For example, API input is $0.435 / M tokens, which works out to 13.79 M tokens for $6.

Plan is 300 credits per input token, which works out to 13.67 M tokens at 4.1B credits per $6.

Very similar math for cache input and output.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bellowsgulch »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs.

There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee.

Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture that doesn't encourage such shameless behavior or perverted values.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by keerthiko »

cj wrote: post #199
mpyne wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Seems from the outside that it was the thing that finally drove Anthropic into profitability.

What drove them to profitability?

Anthropic was making moderate revenue from their API tokens, but everything changed when they started bundling crazy amounts of usage credits at $20/$100/$200 claude max subscriptions relative to the API token rate, but only as long as you use their coding harness — despite claude code, back when this started at least, being an inferior coding harness compared to many open source ones.

CC is technically a free product (you can use it with any model). It's got very few popular "opinions" on how a coding harness should work, but it's by far the most popular one (including at competing LLM manufactories like OpenAI and Meta and Google). Why? If it was just that their models are 5% better, most workplaces would optimize on token (aka cost) efficiency.

Anthropic has been winning the usage of their harness, their tokens, while earning significant revenue, by significantly subsiding their token consumption.

This has earned them many things:

- prime data on how software development — simultaneously the leading beneficiary industry from LLM use, and also the most flush with cash to spend — has been using LLMs

- bringing that industry to standardize around their harness concepts. They are essentially establishing themselves as the W3C of LLM interfacing, except as a private organization.

- all dat data

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by fnordpiglet »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Cloud providers are commodity, and egress pricing is partially cost following because they have to pay peering to their interconnect points for WAN. Internal networks are not charged within the account because the economics of the VPC overlay are optimized for that use, but inter account and VPC and other boundaries carry cost - especially interconnection between accounts because the way VPC treats virtualization requires a relatively expensive routing. Inter AZ and inter region pricing also exists for the same cost following reasons. They also help shape incentives because it allows them to optimize placement of compute within the same AZ to physical buildings or rings.

The case that is largely nonsense is the egress pricing on direct connects since beyond the circuit costs, which the customer pay, there’s no costs for aws not already on the customer regardless. It also makes DC friction weird in that you are incentivized to NOT move storage before compute.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bellowsgulch »

tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

The complements ARE the LLM AND the harness. The actual products we're all consuming are GPUs. Memory being expensive is a second-order effect.

The platform is the GPU, and doing cool shit with it IS the complement, which requires more memory. And demand is so high and will stay high, that it looks like the platform itself.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by nailer »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #211
nailer wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't executing arbitrary code kind of the entire point of NPM though? No. npm is a package manager. As mentioned in the comment you're replying to, almost all package managers execute arbitrary code. Eg: - pip - Cargo - apt/dpkg - dnf/yum - Homebrew - RubyGems - Composer (limited) - Maven > Any chance you have a link to something that describes their plans? https://github.blog/changelog/2026-06-09-upcoming-breakin…

I get what you mean, but an NPM package is just a tarball of arbitrary code and some metadata. The whole point of it is to eventually run that arbitrary code, presumably. Otherwise why would you want to download the tarball and extract it? In fact, what purpose does NPM even serve if it's just a way to host tarballs? I get the install time and run time execution might feel different, but I don't see how that's a secu…

The code in the module isn’t arbitrary: it’s what the user intended an install, provided the package hasn’t been compromised. I do see your own version though.

Most apps don’t need install scripts so disabling them by default is fine.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by fnordpiglet »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

On the question of language models and periphery tooling -

Open weight models are disruptive to the business models of closed model businesses. An incentive is if your business is built around X but model training is helpful to you, but you don’t expect to meter it specifically. You can release your models and undercut the exclusive moat of a new model company like OpenAI or Anthropic from becoming at some point a competitor, or holding their access as a chip in pricing negotiations. By opening your architectures and weights other competitors can build on them and newer better models emerge faster decoupled from a small number of proprietary models. This lets you focus on X while gaining overall momentum on your model release at no additional cost and no loss in focus on X, while defending against upstarts and monopolies.

This is effectively a lot of the open source world that comes from corporate development as well. It feels odd after this many decades of discussing corporate reasons to participate in open source we keep rehashing it.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by sjbzbeiks »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #213
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs. There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee. Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture t…

You’re not totally wrong but I think the motivations are varied. Using myself as an example, I have paid huge sums for software, films, news, and yes open source software, but I hate paying 5 bucks for a sub or buying certain products because the deal just isn’t a fair trade. I’d say most modern software is a bad deal.

That said I am a cheap bastard.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by up2isomorphism »

tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

There is really nothing free in terms of money, there are only things really free in term of spirit. But AI coding assistant are not those things related to spiritual freedom.
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