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But this is exactly my point -- in a low information trust society things like this our noise. They work in high information trust societies because who would sell medical products that don't work? A doctor is leading Wamp®, surely a doctor would never lie to us for money?

In low information trust society everything is noise except what passes a smoke-test or who you believe, which plays on this general tendency of humans to prefer comfort over challenge, confirmation over rejection. A high information trust society has regulation in place which tracks such acts of manipulation so that this trust is not abused (e.g. regulation against misleading/false advertising). A low information so…

I don’t think you have ever actually lived in one.

“which plays on this general tendency of humans to prefer comfort over challenge, confirmation over rejection.”

This is completely and observably wrong. It reads like it would make sense, but the most ideologically open cultures I’ve seen are LIT.

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In low information trust society everything is noise except what passes a smoke-test or who you believe, which plays on this general tendency of humans to prefer comfort over challenge, confirmation over rejection. A high information trust society has regulation in place which tracks such acts of manipulation so that this trust is not abused (e.g. regulation against misleading/false advertising). A low information so…

I don’t think you have ever actually lived in one. “which plays on this general tendency of humans to prefer comfort over challenge, confirmation over rejection.” This is completely and observably wrong. It reads like it would make sense, but the most ideologically open cultures I’ve seen are LIT.

> I don’t think you have ever actually lived in one.

I lived in societies of high and low information trust, and observed first-hand what happens on transition. If trust in public information is high, people contribute and challenge common sources of information, and there is high expectation and punishment to rectify, improving the quality and transparency of commonly agreed information.

In low trust environments, people start to distrust everything, initially seek out explanations but then largely gravitate towards information sources which confirm their assumptions or own bias, because they lack time, energy and skills for any other path. To stabilize themselves, they then build a mental "fortress" around their belief which is periodically fostered not by challenging it but by seeking out others who confirm it.

Advancing in this direction increases the general consensus that there is no common ground (because this requires common trust in some information source), it gets increasingly difficult to educate such fractured groups, because there is no longer a path for many to accept inconvenient truth in light of a more convenient "alternative truth".

This is poisonous in a democracy, because common agreement on facts is what's so crucial for this process.

Hence my learning that it's not a healthy direction for a society (and also the reason why systems attacking democracies don't aim to gain trust, they build distrust)

> but the most ideologically open cultures I’ve seen are LIT.

There is a huge difference between a ideologically open society and a low information trust society. Accepting other ideologies requires trust.

A low information trust society breaks down trust not just in institutions but also among citizens, which is the fertile ground for polarization and actively prevents open ideology.

You may have the wrong understanding of the terminology. A high-information-trust society doesn't mean that everyone blindly accepts a leader, it describes a system where trust is maintained. In a functioning democracy this happens because society constantly challenges institutions, as it DEMANDS to be able to trust them.

In low-information-trust systems, the consensus is that no one can be trusted. So no joint effort is taken to hold power accountable, everyone plays to his own fraction which erodes common grounds, solidarity and citizen power.

Re: 1-Bit Bonsai Image 4B Image Generation for Local Devices

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No, this really hasn't always been the case. At least not in the sense it is today. 20 years ago your misinformation came from television, radio, and print. All of those things were expensive to produce and there was an implicit need for them to be at least vaguely believable and reliable, because their existence depended on it to continually generate revenue. - Today, a single person produce 100% AI-generated media…

I believe democratisation of production and distribution is a net good thing. You don't. That's not about technology but is a fundamental moral issue.

At my core, I do believe it's a good thing, so don't try to frame things as if I'm ethically opposed to the overarching idea here.

It's that the powers-that-be have and always will have more resources to bring to bear than the individual will have to combat them. And right now we're moving at absolute break-neck speed to invent technologies that can be used undermine us individually as well as collectively at ease and scales heretofore never seen.

I believed for a long time that the information age would be the great liberator - the great balancer. But we're on the precipice right now of governmental and societal collapsem and it has everything to do with the massive proliferation and preponderance of either misinformation, or agenda-aligned (shaped) information.

Anti-vax, Antifa, ACAB, conspirituality, QAnon, etc., etc., have all had an enormously negative impact, and we're still in misinformation infancy, and lucky that the leadership in goverment is so old that they're not particularly great at bending these technologies to bear on us. But that's not always going to be the case.

Re: 1-Bit Bonsai Image 4B Image Generation for Local Devices

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Laptops/desktops are cheaper per flop than any datacenter hardware by a good order of magnitude. The problem is that expectations rise in datacenters, hardware/power/security/availability guarantees cost real money. Then the operator providing these guarantees expects some margin. You can see this most clearly with "developer desktops", a gcp instance costs about 10x a hetzner instance which costs between 5 and 10x t…

Doesn’t it flip around for small scale? Paying 100x the cost for something, all in, it’s cheaper to rent for small workloads like 10m/day. At 10x you have to be at hours per day and 5x you’re at 4h.

the math is odd.

Paying 2k for something that you use 100 hours of is quite expensive. Having the capability built into your existing silicon which you would buy for 1k is cheap. Paying 200 dollars a month for 2 years give a present value of $4200 dollars. Meaning that that paying 2k upfront cuts your overall spend in half.

I spent 6k on codex last month which, if repeated, implies a present value of ~144k.

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