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AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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>Elo is zero sum. In a closed, static pool only.

Right, but you have to give the new players some rating, and as long as that number remains constant it will also be the mean Elo. Therefore, "new players entering the pool" can't cause a rise in mean Elo. As for lower rated players leaving, that could indeed raise the mean (assuming you stop counting them in the average), but that changes the point from "players have gotten better because of AI" to "worse players ar…

What? I don't think anyone has given up on chess because of computers in my lifetime

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UBI is never coming man. Rich countries don’t even properly provide healthcare or take care of pensioners, let alone handing everyone a paycheck every month for doing nothing.

> Rich countries don’t even properly provide healthcare ONE rich country doesn’t. The rest are great.

Even countries with public healthcare struggle to provide it at a good level of quality. For instance in the UK where I'm from getting medical attention for anything less than a heart attack is difficult to impossible. Family members have suffered as a direct result of the poor quality care we have.

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Quotes from the article: 'Work as Identity: The Foundation' Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When…

> Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When automation threatens the work, it reaches past the income…

Absolutely true - witness the enormous upheaval in the north of England’s coal mining communities when all the pits got closed in the 1980s. It wasn’t just individuals but families across generations and entire villages who had defined themselves by the work they did. It was easy for those in Westminster to say it was a sound decision for the national economy as a whole, but apart from leaving the workers high and dry with no other visible opportunities they absolutely failed to reckon with the cultural impact of taking away the very source of people’s sense of identity.

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Quotes from the article: 'Work as Identity: The Foundation' Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When…

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Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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Right, but you have to give the new players some rating, and as long as that number remains constant it will also be the mean Elo. Therefore, "new players entering the pool" can't cause a rise in mean Elo. As for lower rated players leaving, that could indeed raise the mean (assuming you stop counting them in the average), but that changes the point from "players have gotten better because of AI" to "worse players ar…

What? I don't think anyone has given up on chess because of computers in my lifetime

I didn't say they did. What I said was that if the person I was replying to was correct that average Elo ratings had increased because of AI, the mechanism would have to be "AI makes lower ranked players give up" instead of "AI makes players better on average"

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> Rich countries don’t even properly provide healthcare ONE rich country doesn’t. The rest are great.

Even countries with public healthcare struggle to provide it at a good level of quality. For instance in the UK where I'm from getting medical attention for anything less than a heart attack is difficult to impossible. Family members have suffered as a direct result of the poor quality care we have.

The NHS is much better for most people than what the US has, but I don’t think a person on earth would suggest using it as a model to build great universal healthcare.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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post #213

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Even countries with public healthcare struggle to provide it at a good level of quality. For instance in the UK where I'm from getting medical attention for anything less than a heart attack is difficult to impossible. Family members have suffered as a direct result of the poor quality care we have.

The NHS is much better for most people than what the US has, but I don’t think a person on earth would suggest using it as a model to build great universal healthcare.

Is it? From what I hear US healthcare is good, just expensive. As long as you have money you can get the help you need. Which is the same in the UK to be fair, we just end up having to pay for both public and private healthcare.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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Quotes from the article: 'Work as Identity: The Foundation' Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When…

I’ve been critiquing what I’ve called AI Inevitability Soothsaying[1] and this seems related:

> > Not all articles in this AI category are outright positive. They range from the euphoric to the slightly depressed. But they share the same premise of inevitability; even the most negative will say that, of course I use AI, I’m not some Luddite[3]! It is integral to my work now. But I don’t just let it run the whole game. I copy–paste with judicious care. blah blah blah

This looks very similar.

Because what is happening? People are getting laid off. Because of AI. They say. There are many doubters here on this board at least. But what is the first premise of Inevitability? In my book it is to take AI as a given, as the unstoppable force; don’t necessarily praise AI, in fact you can write as if it is hitting us like a merciless meteor. But you have to use that as the premise.

Next find a topic to write about. (It’s really about AI but you need a topic that is about the “externalities”.) Well here you have Reddit Comments. Which you seem to imply to have similar thoughts about as me; Reddit posts can be astroturfed to all hell for all you know. Certainly now that they can hide their comment history.

So, Depression. How human. How thoughtful. What a soft subject. What a Trojan Horse? That someone cares about this Definitely a Thing? Like here[2]:

> > If you're an engineer who uses AI daily - for design reviews, code generation, debugging, documentation, architecture decisions - and you've noticed that you're somehow more tired than before AI existed, this post is for you. You're not imagining it. You're not weak. You're experiencing something real that the industry is aggressively pretending doesn't exist. And if someone who builds agent infrastructure full-time can burn out on AI, it can happen to anyone.

It is very real and we feel your emotions. Right. The meteor has struck us all.

So what’s the point of Inevitabilism? (This is all speculation anyway.) Fear is certainly a factor. Because only investors need to feel good about AI. Workers need discipline more than positivism.[3]

But does that mean this is false? Of course not. But how much of this Shared Depression is because of Interesting Pieces like this one? Just think. You can ruminate yourself into a state of depression (at least lower-d) without anyone giving you even one bad “performance review”.

> > Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When automation threatens the work, it reaches past the income and touches the identity.'

No, it’s a fucking paycheck my guy.

To the extent that it’s an identity though. Uh what? Never met a pre-computer, non-office worker male put into disability or retirement? A homemaker with no one to care for?

Really you went to Reddit and concluded that only office workers have an identity? Eat shit, TFA.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46935607

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936012

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48352526

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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The NHS is much better for most people than what the US has, but I don’t think a person on earth would suggest using it as a model to build great universal healthcare.

Is it? From what I hear US healthcare is good, just expensive. As long as you have money you can get the help you need. Which is the same in the UK to be fair, we just end up having to pay for both public and private healthcare.

> As long as you have money you can get the help you need

Tens of millions can’t pay for it, and virtually everyone else is chained to their job because of it.

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