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Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by CamperBob2 »

zhivota wrote: post #162
taneq wrote: post #124

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Whether it's a 'problem' or not is viewpoint-dependent but it's against the OpenAI ToU: > You may not use our Services for any illegal, harmful, or abusive activity. For example, you may not: > [...] > * Use Output to develop models that compete with OpenAI. Source: https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ (I'm also curious whether they consider developing a competing model to be illegal, or harmful, or abusive.…

Feels like this should be some kind of anti-competitive violation even if it's not actually. Probably moot under this admin but still. It's like saying you can't use windows to develop an OS, or drive a Ford on the way to your job at Hyundai.

In heavily-unionized areas, you'd best not drive that Hyundai to your job at the Ford plant.

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Post by codebolt »

Tepix wrote: post #145
baq wrote: post #73

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They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays. Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.

The chinese labs manage to do it. Mistral should have enough money.

China has cheap coal powered electricity and leaders that make things happen. Europe has beaureaucrats that only love talking, high taxes and expensive energy.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by codebolt »

hadlock wrote: post #13
vnglst wrote: post #7

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Maybe, but using state-of-the-art large language models to solve customer support queries with agentic can quickly use a lot of tokens. What I understood from the talk is that they used agents with limited responsibility and (assumption from me) smaller models, to the make sure the answers were quick, reliable and not too costly.

There are several payments processing companies that are already largely using AI for customer support queries. They still have an escape hatch to a human but at least one of those companies (on the smaller side) is reporting a ~99% success rate, they are down to a handful of human customer service employees now for cases where the customer can't find/produce the transaction ID.

Using Mistral or more SOTA models?

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Post by throw-the-towel »

flawn wrote: post #184
throw-the-towel wrote: post #182

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Aren't all LLMs just as blackboxey?

If you sell a blackbox that you constructed yourself, then you are also liable for anything that happens. If you sell a blackbox from a third-party (e.g. from China), you are liable for somebody else's decisions that you cannot scrutinize. So, that's kind of the argumentation that underlies sovereignty and why Chinese Models are not being used in critical infrastructure.

That makes sense, thanks.

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Post by cleaning »

Saline9515 wrote: post #149
gregorygoc wrote: post #93

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Good question, given that American companies basically threw copyright law into the trash, I think they should.

American companies can't sur Chinese ones, but they can do it with European ones.

American companies won't even sue other American companies (xai distilling opus), in fact they instead form partnerships ;)

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Post by PeterStuer »

snowpid wrote: post #178
PeterStuer wrote: post #153

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1 and 2 are the same. Infinite money without barely any consequence because of 'reserve currency' privilege. To compete with that, the EU can't nuke the dollar because it would be suicide given the Eurodollar realities, and they can't anchor EU ip and talent because our politicians are too intertwined with globalist ideology and capital.

"they can't anchor EU ip and talent because our politicians are too intertwined with globalist ideology and capital." You want to force staying in the EU?

You think other regions do not anchor strategic industries? The EU is extremely lax in this regard.

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Post by ggrelet »

darkamaul wrote: post #77
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Well , there isn’t also the opposite take from TechCrunch where they say: Why Paris may be the most important AI city outside Silicon Valley. [0] While the EU loves its regulation, I still feel it’s too early to write it down in the AI race. It will not replace Anthropic or OpenAI any time soon, but even Google and Meta fail to do that. If AI continue to grow and expand, there is enough space for many more unicorns.…

Tbh, that article is not a take, rather an ad for Viva Tech and TechCrunch own tech gathering

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

mhitza wrote: post #202
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

So let me get this straight. You think that Europe "shot itself in the dick" by making it harder to deploy AI that: - manipulates, including subliminally (hope you'll like your subliminal Ads mixed into your LLM output) - profiling for social scoring - automated thread labeling as an individual, with no human supervision - facetracking databases - emotional and "well-being" monitoring at work or in schools - + many o…

No, all of that stuff is fine (I have read the AI act).

It's all the compliance stuff that will cause issues, particularly in non financial services businesses.

Each EU country will end up badly implementing a national regulator, and these will mostly be bad and stop good stuff from happening.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

cm2012 wrote: post #186
gspr wrote: post #132

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You know exactly what the intent of the lawmakers was.

No, I definitely dont. And neither do they, its hundreds of law makers. Meaning is usually sussed out through case law.

In common law countries, yes. Most of the EU runs on civil law though.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

vrganj wrote: post #193
foo42 wrote: post #141

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Interesting. Could you elaborate. As a pro Europe Brit I'm interested to understand this viewpoint. Is it a widely held perspective do you know?

I think that while y'all were appreciated members and definitely had a lot to offer, you also had a lot of annoying carve-outs and kept stalling needed measures to federalize and strengthen the EU more so we can be a proper superpower in our own right. Maybe it's good you left for now, maybe we can finally get these things done. And once that's accomplished and enough of the gammon has died off, you can always rejoin…

The UK was a useful stalking horse for lots of smaller countries to push back against federalisation, it's not just them.

They also have the obvious place for any common EU market (which is desperately needed). Brexit has been bad for everyone involved.

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