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What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by grantith »

al_borland wrote: post #119
dylan604 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snapchat has to be the all time worst offender to me about abusive level of notifications. Luckily, you can turn them off, but holy cow batman, that's a lot of notification options to deal with.

For me the worst is NextDoor. I don’t have the app installed, but they also have email notifications. There are seemingly 100 options and I turned them all off when I first made the account. Periodically they add new ones and auto-enable them for everyone. There is not universal way to shut them off, short of blocking them all together or deleting my account. The account was such a pain to setup that I’m hesitant to…

I flagged them as spam the other day.

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Post by passive »

For whatever reason, I get very few push notifications on my phone. Compared to my days at Blackberry, it's probably 10% as frequent that I get interrupted by my phone.

So good for me.

But there's some really scary stuff in here happening to other people that I'm not even aware of.

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Post by gumby271 »

drnick1 wrote: post #184

Personally, I don't see a few permanent connections as a problem. My GrapheneOS phone is degoogled, and therefore apps such as Signal fall back to a WebSocket connection. Battery life is probably somewhat impacted, but I use too few apps to notice. And in any case, this is much better than allowing Google to stick its nose into my business.

Yeah I'm disappointed this isn't pointed out in the opening paragraph. It's fair to critique Google for convincing devs that fcm is the only option, and obviously iOS is designed for Apple to do whatever they want, regardless of the owner's wishes, but Android does have other, viable, options. iOS and Android aren't equally bad here.

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Post by gumby271 »

inventor7777 wrote: post #160

While I have slight worries about what it means for users if Apple and Google notification services go down/censoring, I do appreciate the features that they provide to me as an end user. So many apps use annoying and questionable marketing notifications that I'd say I have about 70% of app notifications disabled globally (because the app itself does not allow disabling notifications / has no granular control) . Howe…

Am I understanding correctly that iOS notifications have to go over apns unless on the same local network as the HA server? I do appreciate that android makes this possible for ha and signal (and others) in all cases, it should be up to the user to choose centralizing the connection vs. slightly worse battery life.

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Post by gumby271 »

balderdash wrote: post #9

I wish apple/google would implement better notification control - like the ability to turn off all marketing notifications, and a much better digest format

If you're on Android, I'll always recommend Buzzkill to add very granular rules for notification filtering. I set up all kinds of filters just for the Amazon app.

On iOS I assume you're sol, that notification system is unhinged to my eyes.

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Post by coro_1 »

aurmc wrote: post #146
vhcr wrote: post #115

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Instagram is the worst offender, I only want to receive message notifications, but I got notifications about inane random stuff I've tried to disable but it won't work. I ended up having to disable notifications altogether.

Instagram drove me so insane with that that I spent a while searching through the app to figure out how to disable it. There's a way to do it, and for a while it worked; I only got notifications about things like direct messages and posts from a few people I specifically told it to send notifications for, but I never got the "recommended" posts. Then I got a replacement iPhone and reinstalled Instagram.app, and it de…

> Now I open it once a month

So do I. Login on the web incognito.

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Post by gumby271 »

LoganDark wrote: post #198

I need a feature to block my bank's incessant nagging about cash-back deals while keeping the ones about transactions. Right now on iOS there is no way to do this. And yes, I've explicitly turned off the cash-back deals notifications in my bank app's settings and that is completely ignored.

I don't know if there's an iOS equivalent, but Buzzkill on Android is really great for this. I set up filters to hide all the stupid Amazon ad notifications.

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Post by ishtanbul »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #131
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #99

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Yeah, this entire article is pretty transparent that it's from the sender perspective, and worried about platforms taking over "sender control". Who is he kidding? The vast majority of apps have absolutely proven they can't be trusted to respect your attention. From my perspective, the more roadblocks the platforms put between unnecessary notifications and my phone, the better. And I don't think Apple or Google are s…

I recently had to setup Microsoft Authenticator. It refused to register a code unless I enabled notifications. You are a two factor app. I should never be in a situation where there is an unexpected login I need to verify.

Okta has push as an option. Maybe msft has that too.

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

makeitdouble wrote: post #206
cadamsdotcom wrote: post #103

I’m constantly amazed how passive people are with things that steal their attention My phone is in do not disturb mode 24/7. If your app notifies me about something pointless, it gets deleted and I start using your website instead I have a mail rule that moves any email with the word “unsubscribe” out of the inbox into its own tagged area. Every few days, I go in and unsubscribe to everything that’s arrived. Whenever…

> passive I get your point and see it as valid, yet to nitpick most people don't feel they have a choice. Not answering the phone or replying to people's messages is a no-no to many, which sets them in an arms race against spammers and social apps trying to get them from all fronts. And they get frustrated by us living in no-disturb land 24/7. I don't know it could be solved, but I feel for them.

For sure - some folks have to unwind expectations they’ve let themselves be under around responsiveness to messages.

Feels like an education issue rather than a tech issue.. thoughts?

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