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Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Post by pryce »

sparkling wrote: post #162
morpheuskafka wrote: post #100

> We rotate sending identities, warm them gradually, and cap volume per identity per day to stay well below the heuristics Apple uses to throttle abusive senders. Anyone promising \"unlimited blast\" volume is one ban away from disappearing. If you are violating Apple's policies, even if they cannot identify each account you create, can they not simply ban you as a legal entity from using their service, and then sue…

Regardless of the ToS violation... isn't this trivial to detect? Even if they keep the message volume low, detecting a swarm of accounts that are sending duplicate/similar messages seems rather trivial? The entire business model depends on Apple turning a blind eye, i'm quite amazed they got any VC money at all.

> i'm quite amazed they got any VC money at all.

probably VC bit at the 'agentic' part. Using that word makes some folk lose their minds, and they may then find themselves investing in a whole range of things that they otherwise wouldn't.

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Post by nikolay »

kmbfjr wrote: post #210
nikolay wrote: post #166

"Chert" is a poor branding for all Russian [and Ukrainian customers - it means "crap" or "damn".

Sony had a NAS device for video storage called the “Petafile”.

Oh, wow! Not that "PDF file" sounds any better, though.

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Post by jparsons67 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #208
jparsons67 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is this now from Twilio. They announced it at SIGNAL this month. https://www.twilio.com/en-us/messaging/channels/apple-messag...

Apple Messages for Business has been around for a while, but it's mostly for communicating with a corporation vs consumer products. And iOS presents it like a support chat instead of a normal conversation.

They position it as "Apple user to business communication." They don't limit it to customer service/tech support. Bllie Eillish and the Haas F1 team just launched a fan experiences on it. Saw The Nudge is on it as well, which was a big upgrade from their old SMS experience.

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Post by BoorishBears »

jparsons67 wrote: post #213
BoorishBears wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Messages for Business has been around for a while, but it's mostly for communicating with a corporation vs consumer products. And iOS presents it like a support chat instead of a normal conversation.

They position it as "Apple user to business communication." They don't limit it to customer service/tech support. Bllie Eillish and the Haas F1 team just launched a fan experiences on it. Saw The Nudge is on it as well, which was a big upgrade from their old SMS experience.

You're trying to figure out what it is incrementally, and I'm telling you Apple Messages for Business is ancient news and isn't fit for the purpose described: https://www.apple.com/ios/business-chat/

The "experiences" are not normal 1:1 iMessage conversations. You're joining an outreach channel, and only large corporations (that includes whoever does distribution for Billie Eilish) qualify.

Proper consumer apps like:

- tomo.ai - poke.com - fractal.space

Are all building on services that give you an actual iMessage phone number, and those are what I'd like to see actually offer self-serve one day, just like SMS.

You don't need "SMS For Business" to send an SMS.

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Post by _jwr »

echelon wrote: post #72
garygao wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple wouldn't ban us since we're not doing anything that would qualify as spam or abuse. Even if that hypothetical event does happen, we have SMS/RCS fallback systems in place so no conversations get stopped or lost

Did the YC interviewers ask you about this risk? Did they ask you about a bigger market you can move into? There's no way this foothold will last. You're going to get massacred. Apple WILL ban you. You're not in some capricious walled garden. You're breaking and entering, and they'll destroy you. There is nothing of value to build here. You should take the rest of the day off, then tomorrow, pivot entirely. The folks…

Little bit extreme

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Post by Nate4137 »

How are y'all building differently than Linq or SendBlue(also YC company)?

I tried SendBlue but latency was too much (regularly 20+ seconds). Seems like they target Sales use cases.

Ended up going w/ Linq, for the virtual boy/girl friend I'm building. Originally chose because the scaled players(Poke, Tomo, ditto) all use Linq, but pricing is for sure enterprise level haha.

Would be open to trying y'all if your doing something different/better.

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