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Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Are you seriously suggesting hobbyists should tapeout an ASIC instead of use an FPGA? 1. For one-off designs (quantity=1) ASICs will never beat a high end FPGA on unit price. 2. As a hobbyist, you want to EXPERIMENT. You cannot do that with an ASIC. Hobbyists want to do something simple, test it on real hardware, and slowly build up from that. I don't have the time nor expertise nor motivation to spend months writing…

> Are you seriously suggesting hobbyists should tapeout an ASIC instead of use an FPGA? No. I said the low-end of FPGA sales is getting eaten by microcontrollers and the high-end of FPGAs sales is probably about to get eaten by custom ASICs. Although the cost of making an ASIC is high, in the larger nodes it's not that high, and getting ever cheaper at FPGA performance levels and logic densities. FPGAs are terribly i…

Are you sure you actually know what you're talking about?

FPGA unit costs keep doing down and they usually tend to use a recent manufacturing process. Meanwhile the fixed NRE costs of ASICs keep going up the more advanced the manufacturing process is.

An FPGA consists of non programmable logic components such as DSPs, block RAM, NoCs, SERDES/configurable IO, that keep scaling with the manufacturing process.

If you try to replicate this with an older process to cut costs, you will have an area and energy efficiency penalty.

This means that FPGAs have become more relevant over time.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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What you say is ridiculous. The only reason why the "Linux community" cannot create adequate FPGA design tools is that the vendors like AMD refuse to document the necessary details of their products. A few old AMD FPGAs have been reversed engineered, e.g. some ARTIX-7, so for them there is no need for the rather bad AMD tools, but for most AMD formerly Xilinx FPGAs it is impossible to create better tools for lack of…

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What kind of logic is this?

Linux developers are supposed to build their own software and to do so they have to pay AMD for documentation under an NDA that prevents them from developing an open source toolchain?

What kind of logic is that? This is especially stupid since AMD benefits from every single FPGA sale so all they did was reduce the number of FPGAs they will sell, by locking out customers.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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What you say is ridiculous. The only reason why the "Linux community" cannot create adequate FPGA design tools is that the vendors like AMD refuse to document the necessary details of their products. A few old AMD FPGAs have been reversed engineered, e.g. some ARTIX-7, so for them there is no need for the rather bad AMD tools, but for most AMD formerly Xilinx FPGAs it is impossible to create better tools for lack of…

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> Reverse engineering tools are pretty good these days.

The problem is not the technological knowledge, but the legally complicated situation.

Rule of thumb: if you are looking for an evil in the world, it's usually written down in the laws.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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> It's no more a bribe than having to pay money to buy the latest C++ standard when implementing a C++ compiler. The C++ standard group didn't just sell me a piece of hardware that only runs C++, in a world where no free C++ compilers exist. That analogy isn't even close. > There is value to AMD for keeping this documentation secret It's a value that doesn't deserve respect. > It makes sense that AMD would want to be…

>That analogy isn't even close. Then how about the instruction manuals for the processors themselves. It's really not that different. People spend a lot of time and resources building something and compiling information and you are demanding to get it for free. >It's a value that doesn't deserve respect. It does deserve respect as a lot of people put in work in creating it and creating a successful product. If you th…

>Then how about the instruction manuals for the processors themselves. It's really not that different. People spend a lot of time and resources building something and compiling information and you are demanding to get it for free.

x86_64 processors maintain backwards compatibility. This means you can reverse engineer one chip and then have your software work on a different processor from a different company.

FPGAs don't even retain compatibility between different sizes of the same base model. If you reverse engineer one chip that's only one chip.

>It does deserve respect as a lot of people put in work in creating it and creating a successful product. If you think it's not that much effort to do then find someone to make their own FPGA and documentation for it.

I'm not sure why companies and online forum people defending the company are so obsessed with making their products less valuable, driving away customers and making less money in the long run. The financial incentives point exactly in the opposite direction.

>It is rare for a business to be so 1 dimensional. Businesses have many income streams

Why does it matter if it is rare? The only thing that matters is that you're making money. Why do I have to explain this?

Nvidia obtained a 5 trillion market by selling the hardware and giving the software to program and run on it away for free. Why do you hate it when AMD makes money?

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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As a long time Altera user, one of the biggest things that made me want to jump the fence to Xilinx was the MUCH stronger community and hobbyist uptake. Xilinx benefitted from a ton of people out there educating others on their behalf. Trying to shrink that community seems like a pretty obvious error. The closest thing the Altera world ever had were the old Altera user forums, which were a gold-mine. Intel shut them…

As someone who actually worked for one of the largest FPGA consumers in the world, Xilinx didn't benefit at all from the community and hobbyist uptake. It was just an unnecessary expense and distraction that got in the way of their core mission. Around 5-10 companies make up around 70% of all FPGA silicon sales and the single largest end user is the U.S. Government and its customers (NATO members, Israel, Australia,…

They will notice their mistake once the hiring pool dries up.

In the long run they will be replaced by more competitive companies like Efinix.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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I don’t want to register for this forum and I’m having trouble finding any kind of a sort. But are you referring to this comment? * First, any bad language or abusive behaviour towards AMD, is not acceptable. If continued, we will proceed to block your profiles altogether. If you are not happy with the new tier licensing flow, no one is stopping users (Students etc) to continue using the current versions of Vivado (a…

Communication is tricky because it isn’t just about the words, but how they land. On the surface it may not seem like belittling someone’s pain. In reality this is exactly what it feels like for those on the receiving end. It also doesn’t help that it was delivered with a threat of expulsion. It communicates: - we don’t care about your pain - those in charge find it below their dignity to explain the decision to you…

> Communication is tricky because it isn’t just about the words, but how they land

Please mind that English is not my native language, but as I aged, I found that to be true less and less. Exact word choice does not matter as long as the intent is conveyed properly. With some leeway, maybe benefit of the doubt. And misunderstandings can be cleared up.

In this case, customers are unhappy with the decision. No amount of weaseling around with any kind of word combination is not changing the decision. Whatever tone he might have used here would not help anyone or clear up anything. There is no further misunderstanding.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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There is a ridiculous amount of flagging here. Every comment that says the Linux community gets to show its stuff by doing the work themselves gets flagged. That is no bueno. I've already vouched for several.

Every single of those comments is implicitly saying you should violate the IP rights of the FPGA vendor.

There is no realistic way to build an OSS or FOSS toolchain without reverse engineering Vivado and dumping the trade secrets contained in it 1:1

Even if you build a clean room version of Vivado, you still need the FPGA metadata and clean rooming the metadata for all FPGAs is basically impossible.

Once you understand this, then it sounds incredible dishonest to argue that the Linux community should put in the effort to support a hardware vendor that is hostile to offering their own Linux support when that same company's GPU division had no problem publishing an open source GPU driver for Linux.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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> Reverse engineering tools are pretty good these days. The problem is not the technological knowledge, but the legally complicated situation. Rule of thumb: if you are looking for an evil in the world, it's usually written down in the laws.

You can just do it. They can't catch you. Don't put your real name on the project, and for extra paranoia, use a VPN, and you're fine.

Most things worth doing are illegal, like founding Uber.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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What you say is ridiculous. The only reason why the "Linux community" cannot create adequate FPGA design tools is that the vendors like AMD refuse to document the necessary details of their products. A few old AMD FPGAs have been reversed engineered, e.g. some ARTIX-7, so for them there is no need for the rather bad AMD tools, but for most AMD formerly Xilinx FPGAs it is impossible to create better tools for lack of…

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Case in point: People who downvote my comment instead of reverse engineering Vivado are actually proving it correct.
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