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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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post #179

Honestly, this could turn out to be a really great thing. When artists become popular, they often complain that the people they are making their music for, their biggest fans, tend to be the people least able to afford the concert tickets. The artists are often totally willing to set aside a chunk of tickets at a much cheaper price, but they need to be able to guarantee that these tickets aren't just purchased by sca…

seems like it would just get botted like anything else and also make it harder for fans of an artist who don't use spotify to get tickets

there's always a criticism, something has to give.

lest you desire verifiable gov based ID tracking?

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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post #179

Honestly, this could turn out to be a really great thing. When artists become popular, they often complain that the people they are making their music for, their biggest fans, tend to be the people least able to afford the concert tickets. The artists are often totally willing to set aside a chunk of tickets at a much cheaper price, but they need to be able to guarantee that these tickets aren't just purchased by sca…

seems like it would just get botted like anything else and also make it harder for fans of an artist who don't use spotify to get tickets

"Stream fraud" is already a thing, so if anything this would make botting more profitable. Great synergy to be had here by fraudsters

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Auction. Auction is the answer. Or, when a tour is announced, start tickets at 10X the regular price and have it drop down to the regular price over the course of a couple of weeks in a simple time based mechanism. After that, if tickets are not sold out it continues to drop until sold or it hits a reserve price for Door tickets. Good for artists, fair from a market perspective and gets rid of scalpers

You are overlooking the secondary effect — what happens if you, a musician, a person who lives off having a positive public image, becomes known as the kind of musician who uses free market forces to effectively price fans out? Fans will not like it. It is not rational but nothing in music is. You win the pricing battle but lose the PR war. It's bad for your business and the entire business of concerts in the long ru…

If you're selling out venues at 5x a normal ticket price you will quickly be playing in much larger venues until you can't sell them out except at face value

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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post #179

Honestly, this could turn out to be a really great thing. When artists become popular, they often complain that the people they are making their music for, their biggest fans, tend to be the people least able to afford the concert tickets. The artists are often totally willing to set aside a chunk of tickets at a much cheaper price, but they need to be able to guarantee that these tickets aren't just purchased by sca…

seems like it would just get botted like anything else and also make it harder for fans of an artist who don't use spotify to get tickets

Sounds like a good way to pump the numbers

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should anything be done? If people are willing to pay five times the face value for a ticket, then it signals that tickets are priced too low. Let the market price itself. Harry Styles is playing in my city, he's apparently very popular, but there's still plenty of tickets available for as low as 47€ for tomorrow.

I never understood the issue with scalping and reselling tickets for a higher price. At all. And I've read a bunch of opinions here and on other forums and articles. None make any sense to me. It's a good that's being resold for profit. Not an essential one like rare medicine during a pandemic. I think some artists want to appeal to the poorer people so pricing their tickets higher or letting the free market work out…

You're letting middlemen profit from providing zero value to society. Artists don't benefit. Fans don't benefit. Scalpers benefit.

It should be obvious we want a system that is optimally beneficial to artists and fans rather than middlemen.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are overlooking the secondary effect — what happens if you, a musician, a person who lives off having a positive public image, becomes known as the kind of musician who uses free market forces to effectively price fans out? Fans will not like it. It is not rational but nothing in music is. You win the pricing battle but lose the PR war. It's bad for your business and the entire business of concerts in the long ru…

If you're selling out venues at 5x a normal ticket price you will quickly be playing in much larger venues until you can't sell them out except at face value

The people whose tickets get scalped are already playing in sports stadiums. There aren’t bigger venues.

The average event either doesn’t sell out or takes a while to sell out.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact there are more people want X than the total number of X.

That’s not a question, that’s just a situation.

The question is how to distribute X in this situation, and I (mistakenly) trusted the reader's intelligence to infer that.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Not a direct answer to your question but go to see local bands. The ticket prices are way better and so is the crowd and the show.

I know this doesn't work for most subscribers to mass media culture, but I'm right there with you. Personally I kind of hate celebrity as a social phenomenon, and I love seeing an amazing talented set and then getting to talk with the musician afterward. I don't give Live Nation my money.
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