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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by InsideOutSanta » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:47 PM UTC

1123581321 wrote: post #134

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #89

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I'm actually confused by how people even use LLMs to write these articles. They sound so synthetic that I assume the LLM wrote most or all of the text, but how? Do they just write a bullet list of notes and then tell the LLM to go wild?

Yes, exactly. Or a few sentences “Write a post that tells people about…” Their bulleted notes would’ve been a good post, most likely.

Yeah, this is what I find confusing. If you have a succinct list of bullet points, just give me that. Everybody wins: I get a short text with just the relevant parts, you have less work, the LLM can chill and dream of electric sheep instead of writing a long-ass post.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:47 PM UTC

zhovner wrote: post #133

ctenb wrote: post #21

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by moffkalast » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:48 PM UTC

> Build the most open and best-documented ARM computer in the world, with full mainline Linux kernel support.

Not even the Pi foundation could manage that. Why not go RISC-V if compatibility is the main goal? This thing does not need bleeding edge horsepower.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Semaphor » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:48 PM UTC

codechicago277 wrote: post #181

embedding-shape wrote: post #66

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So because this article seems AI written to you, this business and project which is on it's second iteration and been around for years already, maybe isn't a project of passion in your eyes? Seems like a huge logical leap to make, based on things that it seems you cannot even exactly quantify here, as you're still not pointing out what's wrong with the text, just saying that the text is somehow "lacking of soul" or s…

The criticism is that this is a respectable project, so when you read obvious AI tells like “Honestly, …”, or “Flipper One isn't an upgrade to Flipper Zero — it's a completely different project with its own goals” in the first few paragraphs, it’s distracting and takes away from the content. A simple fix I use for AI writing is disclosing it. Here, a simple note that “this article was translated with AI assistance” w…

The thing is, those are human-used words. Overused by AI, but very much not exclusive. Especially the way they were used here felt very different from slop as they made perfect sense.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by cryptonym » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:48 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #186

skinfaxi wrote: post #167

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Chain of trust from RFID chips embedded in their fingertips that authenticated to their keyboard, proving that at least their fingers grazed the keys that formed the message. But what if they're reading off of a pre-written message?

And are those RFID chips firmware signed by a big tech overlord that we trust? And with kernel level anti-heat? Cause if not...

Are those RFID chips preventing me (or a physical robot) from typing generated text?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by garciansmith » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:49 PM UTC

It's interesting that the d-pad is on the right and the mouse pad on the left. I would have thought they'd be flipped, and indeed that's how it was in the prototype picture. I'm curious as to the reasoning for the change, though I don't know anything about the UI.

Also, what's a "survival desktop"? I've never heard that term and I couldn't find it used elsewhere.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by reaperducer » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:52 PM UTC

lxgr wrote: post #157

salomonk_mur wrote: post #111

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Man, they put 2 processors in the thing and are building their own OS. They even say they are not sure how to get it accomplished. Scope creep to hell and back. Could just let the device get turned off like literally any other device on earth, and not have to build a whole new fucking OS to get it running. They even - for some reason - want to waste time "training their own AI model because general ones don't cut it"…

> Could just let the device get turned off like literally any other device on earth, and not have to build a whole new fucking OS to get it running. This is actually quite common in embedded devices and even elsewhere. Every Apple device does this, for example (the Secure Enclave is a completely separate OS running on a separate computer). If you think about it, most laptops have been doing something like this for de…

The idea of the "single OS, single CPU computer" has been a myth for a while now.

At least since they started running Java on SIM cards.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by cwnyth » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:52 PM UTC

fsniper wrote: post #193

qgin wrote: post #172

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People hunting for AI text is reaching transvestigation levels

I have trouble understanding this. I don't see anyone complaining that we use microwaves and ovens instead of going for lit wood to cook or using search engines instead of crawling through libraries, or using Google Maps instead of using paper maps. These are tools. If output of an LLM conveys the ideas to be told, then what is the problem? Not everyone needs to be magicians with language.

You absolutely do see people complaining that restaurant food is microwaved over properly grilled, fried, etc. I think that's the better analogy.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by z2 » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:53 PM UTC

nekzn wrote: post #180

qgin wrote: post #172

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People hunting for AI text is reaching transvestigation levels

On one hand, you’re right. On the other, it’s normal that humans want to gauge the authenticity of the things they interact with. Some sort of uncanny valley thing.

What happens when everyone learns they need to use something like https://tropes.fyi/tropes-md and emerge on the other side of the valley?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by dpoloncsak » Thu, May 21, 2026, 1:54 PM UTC

Karliss wrote: post #144

dpoloncsak wrote: post #7

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The product you’re suggesting is $1400, where as the zero sold for a 1/8 of that. Do we expect the Flipper One to have such a price hike as well?

Flipper zero was an arduino with half a dozen sensor, radio and other communication modules. Flipper one is a laptop/mobile phone class system in weird form factor no doubt its going to be more expensive. No point even comparing them. You can't call it a price hike if it's completely different category of product. There have been plenty of openish tinkerer laptop/mobile phones projects to know that paying high end la…

TechCrunch is reporting that they're still aiming for a ~$350 USD price point, but I cannot confirm this myself

https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/21/flipper-unveils-a-linux-po...