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Sounds like a you problem. It never crashes on me.
What an uncharitable take. Does the fact that the browser crashes on their machine offend you in some way?
Quite a bizarre response but whatever.
Vivaldi 8.0
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Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tarballs every 2 months, and we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. I don't trust them one bit. There was that telemetry analysis that showed Vivaldi as a very noisy browser.
> we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. how so? how do you know this?
You can test this locally yourself with mitmproxy, opensnitch, or whatever.
You can try building the (supposedly) open-source apps you use from source.
Everyone opining here should MitM themselves every now and then. If not for your own security then maybe to make sure you're not participating in psyop when opining online and resharing hearsay or old truisms.
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money. Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.
What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch? As opposed to just forking Blink and maintaining it as a separate project? Seems like the former just adds an ungodly amount of work and still doesn't solve the problem of Google using its weight to control web standards. If Firefox and Apple can't rein in Google with their competing engines, what exactly does Ladybird change?
> What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch?
Straight from the source:
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#214I switched to Vivaldi years ago because I got sick of dealing with extensions; an update broke a few of my long relied on extensions and a search for alternatives showed hundreds of options. A few hours into my search for replacements I found a post somewhere by someone in a similar situation, one of the responses was "just install Vivaldi" and I did. In all the years since they have not made one change that has caused me grief or affected my use in the slightest, never have had to learn new features or adjust the way I work, I just get a new icon in the sidebar on occasion which I can ignore until I get curious or get sick of seeing it and remove it.
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy enhanced? lol. Install the Android version (similar to desktop I imagine): - The choice in the wizard defaults to no blocking of ads and trackers - Third Party cookies enabled by default - WebRTC IP leaking is the default - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode Etc I imagine it leaks your list of extensions just like chromium too
> - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode That's something I've always wanted. Only Firefox seems to offer it. Firefox can also open external links in incognito (eg if you tap a link in another app, it will open in a firefox private window) Duckduckgo browser and Brave can be set to delete all data upon start, which is similar but not quite the same because things are still persisted until they're…
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Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy enhanced? lol. Install the Android version (similar to desktop I imagine): - The choice in the wizard defaults to no blocking of ads and trackers - Third Party cookies enabled by default - WebRTC IP leaking is the default - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode Etc I imagine it leaks your list of extensions just like chromium too
> - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode That's something I've always wanted. Only Firefox seems to offer it. Firefox can also open external links in incognito (eg if you tap a link in another app, it will open in a firefox private window) Duckduckgo browser and Brave can be set to delete all data upon start, which is similar but not quite the same because things are still persisted until they're…
> Only Firefox seems to offer it
Ohh I didn't realise Firefox persisted the toggle to Private mode on Android! (Properly, even if you Force Quit). I was using Brave previously, which doesn't do that, so assumed the same.
Though it says "Firefox deletes your cookies, history and site data when you close all your private tabs" ... so I'm not exactly sure what gets persisted and what persisted gets deleted when
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Happy to discuss. I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork. If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product. There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, whic…
"Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.
That's not really what "being the product" is commonly recognised as.
Vivaldi go out to their customers (that's not you) and say "We have 1000 suckers who have downloaded and use our closed source, Chromium cloned, browser. We can serve your website as a bookmark to them, or add you to their search engine list if you give us $x."
Since you are not their "customer" (that's the people paying them to appear in your settings) what are you? You are the "product", you are what Vivaldi is selling.
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#218LLM generated slop.
> This isn’t about making the browser look simpler. It’s about making the structure behind it more coherent. This makes everything you see feel like part of the same system.
then the unicode decorations
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
For me, it's a privacy concern. Closed source means only one company is fixing vulnerabilities, whereas open source invites security researchers to find and fix issues quicker. Fewer security gaps == less privacy risk.
I've heard that argument before, but has that actually been demonstrated? Ability to look at the code (especially in the age of AI) means that security researchers aren't the only ones who can look for bugs. For example, look at the bugs like copyfail that AI has recently uncovered in the Linux kernel.
Okay guys, I'm being downvoted for asking questions? Let's be real, OSS has not been proven to be more secure. If you think otherwise then please back it up, I'm okay with being proven wrong.
Re: Vivaldi 8.0
#220> Vivaldi 8.0: our biggest design overhaul, ever
> If you have been using Vivaldi for years, you have your setup exactly as you want it and you would not trade it for anything.
The thing so many software makers seem to not understand is that if I have been using something for years and have my setup exactly as I want it, then I do not want any overhauls.