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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by joenot443 »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #193
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Exactly this. Anti-AI Devs/Techies have their heads in the sand or/and resorting to binary thinking when it comes to AI. No one is going to vibe code a Photoshop replacement just like no average smartphone user is going to take prize winning photographs with their phone or directly compete with professional photographs. What is going to happen is what happened to videographers and photographers and what is happening…

> neither will the one off random app that only your household uses

This reminds me a bit of the 2010s idea that every house would have a 3D printer to make one off repairs. Years later, this still seems far out of reach. If anything, it seems to have been settled that most non-technicals don't want a 3D printer.

Vibe coded apps are great, but unless they're hitting an already open API, they're effectively hermetic. There aren't many useful, high quality APIs out there without a companion app these days.

I encourage you to ask members of your household what apps they use which don't connect with any other apps, sites, or companies. I think we'll find the number is pretty low.

In your mind, what are some apps which don't currently exist which would be solving a bespoke household issue that non-techies will be reaching for vibe coding to solve?

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm just not convinced the puddle is very deep. It's really hard to compare taking a photo with vibe-coding an app.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by zahlman »

hilariously wrote: post #197
pbalau wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need the AI to write a script? Why not have the AI do the work without a "script"?

Because then you have chosen a non-deterministic action when a deterministic action would do, thus making it more expensive, more prone to failure, and just more annoying to use. Would you rather press a button and go through a simple process that's normalized across all crud apps or talk to a chatbot every time you want to solve a problem and invoke external apis?

Do keep in mind, the user has to be someone who can conceive of the idea of having a script instead of just having the job done, and also needs to have some semblance of understanding how to run it.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by kristianbrigman »

eooekwe wrote: post #179
bradley13 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

Much of this could be done with a spreadsheet. Not exactly revolutionary in the way you’re claiming.

UI/UX is important.

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Post by falcor84 »

satisfice wrote: post #157
falcor84 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is the "cannot" coming from? The only underlying rule that I see is: the more complex a task is, the lower the probability of success. That's it. And it's the same exact rule that applies to humans. The difference though is that we're seeing an exponential growth in AI capabilities, which are then rapidly disseminated on a scale of months, and we don't see such capability increases in humans. As I see it, anyon…

AI cannot take responsibility. It will not indemnify you. My decade is going just fine.

I don't get it. How is knowing that AI itself will not take responsibility or that it will not indemnify its users make your decade any better? Is your line of reasoning that using AI will very likely prove to be a bad idea in the long term and thus perfectly rational people with the same priors as yours will abstain from training or utilizing AI?

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Post by ponector »

falcor84 wrote: post #126
ponector wrote: post #99

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LLMs are superb at testing easy things. Small website, simple lib, etc. Same way as LLMs cannot code anything complex, they cannot test complex scenarios.

Where is the "cannot" coming from? The only underlying rule that I see is: the more complex a task is, the lower the probability of success. That's it. And it's the same exact rule that applies to humans. The difference though is that we're seeing an exponential growth in AI capabilities, which are then rapidly disseminated on a scale of months, and we don't see such capability increases in humans. As I see it, anyon…

Where is the "can" coming from? We've seen failed attempts to persuade LLMs to crated a browser, a compiler.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

swader999 wrote: post #204
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So LLMs are the 3d printers of software. Great for niche use-cases without enough market demand for a proper solution, and generally scale very poorly vs proper industrial processes.

I think your last half remains to be determined.

The preponderance of evidence to date would point to systems engineered by meatbags are of a significantly higher quality than vibe coded ones.

My use of the word “system” is very intentional vs. something less qualifying like “program”.

Edit to add: my take is proper system engineering and design basically requires general intelligence, so the bar for LLMs to reliably produce high quality systems is AGI.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by andrewstuart »

This is a now classic anti AI argument.

“If AI is so great why hasn’t it reproduced (some incredible cathedral of software built over 40 years of intensive hand crafting).”

Don’t feed the trolls folks - nothing you say in reply can convince the poser of the question because it’s a trap not a question, designed to validate the askers worldview that AI is somehow fake.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by koonsolo »

ACCount37 wrote: post #178
ben_w wrote: post #84

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> How many people are just using ChatGPT or Gemini to get the image edits they want instead of reaching for Photoshop? I don't know if this is showing up in Adobe's subscription numbers, yet, but I expect it will eventually. As per https://xkcd.com/1015/ , I suspect many people are doing this and the artists hate all the examples even more than the average consumer who simply treats it as a sign of low-budget work. M…

The recent ChatGPT Images 2.0 has awe-inspiring image editing and composition capabilities. I can totally see what people mean when they say "Photoshop killer".

Same experience on my end. It's crazy what the latest version can pull off, with reference images, text, etc.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by visarga »

stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

> How many people are just using ChatGPT or Gemini to get the image edits they want instead of reaching for Photoshop?

Lately ChatGPT can generate complex diagrams with lots of text so I used them to make slides.

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