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Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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So far, I have only found this with T-Mobile's app. The good news is that I can go into the nearby T-Mobile store and have them deal with it.

I would immediately change my mobile service provider, this is an easy one and choices are plenty. financially as well, you can save yourself a lot of money if you have a cadence for switching providers

Maybe.

I have 7 lines with unlimited data for under $150.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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When you go on holiday, do you have to find an Internet café to print off your boarding pass for the flight home? Or do you select destinations covered by airlines that allow you to get a boarding pass more than 48 hours in advance?

Most hotels would be happy to print your boarding pass for free.

This is actually exactly what I it when I was in this kind of situation.

I really have the impression that using a smartphone makes a lot people much more dumb with respect to seeing obvious solutions for their problems.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Because these two examples are tiny in comparison with the decrease in surveillance you will get, and the example you set for your fellow men, and just spreading the norm in society that ubiquitous surveillance is wrong and that we can live ethical lives without being slaves and chained to the government and corporations.

You still use the internet. Just avoiding a mobile phone is not a magic pill against surveillance.

> You still use the internet. Just avoiding a mobile phone is not a magic pill against surveillance.

Very true. But it is a huge first step.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Why does this permeate the HN all the time. You can 100% function without a fucking smartphone. My Dad doesn’t have one, he has zero-to-no trouble going to the bank and paying his bills and just about every other imaginable thing. If there was something he could not do and there were repercussions for it he’d be calling an attorney to rectify the situation. It is crazy to keep reading this over and over on HN, so wei…

> "Why does this permeate the HN all the time." It's a bias, an in-bubble illiteracy effect, concerning the perception and analysis of realities (e. g. experiences) outside that bubble, mirroring an in-group's projections about an out-group. It is, in my decades of experience, a very common phenomenon in the IT sector. > "My Dad doesn’t have one, he has zero-to-no trouble going to the bank and paying his bills and ju…

> It's a bias, an in-bubble illiteracy effect, concerning the perception and analysis of realities (e. g. experiences) outside that bubble, mirroring an in-group's projections about an out-group. It is, in my decades of experience, a very common phenomenon in the IT sector.

I (also German) have the impression that people who work in the IT sector are often much more critical of surveillance methods (including smartphones) than the average citizen.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Technically, sure you probably can spend a large amount of time, energy, and money to find alternative non-smartphone ways of navigating through modern life. Practically, you need a smartphone. Engaging an attorney != practical

That's the thing. The larger amount of time, energy, and money we spent on doing banking in the 1990s was real. The web, and then mobile apps, made a lot of that more convenient. But it's not impossible to live the old way. You can still write paper checks, go to the bank to make a deposit and get cash, etc. It used to be normal, everyone did it, now it seems extremely inconvenient for most people.

> The larger amount of time, energy, and money we spent on doing banking in the 1990s was real. The web, and then mobile apps, made a lot of that more convenient.

I wouldn't say so: when I go to the bank, I often combine it with grocery shopping, which I have to do anyway. So doing banking the old way is hardly an inconvenience.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Why does this permeate the HN all the time. You can 100% function without a fucking smartphone. My Dad doesn’t have one, he has zero-to-no trouble going to the bank and paying his bills and just about every other imaginable thing. If there was something he could not do and there were repercussions for it he’d be calling an attorney to rectify the situation. It is crazy to keep reading this over and over on HN, so wei…

It's crazy that you're so insulated inside your own bubble and close-minded not to realize that the degree to which smartphones are required in daily life differ massively across countries, and HN is a global place. The places where your dad would have trouble going to the bank and doing "every other imaginable thing" are real and exist. You're just not in one.

> the degree to which smartphones are required in daily life differ massively across countries, and HN is a global place.

In some countries people are willing to fight much harder against being coerced to have to use a smartphone. The message should thus rather be: follow their example.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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> Nowadays, you can no longer exist in society without a phone If my phone breaks, I will die? :) Perhaps it's this spreading of this lie that it's impossible to live without a phone that is contributing to the problem

No, but you will likely be inconvenienced to a similar level as losing your house keys, and lose access to important services. You won't immediately die, because most people can survive for quite some time on nothing but questionable river water and a piece of cardboard under a bridge, but there is a difference between survival and existing in society.

> No, but you will likely be inconvenienced to a similar level as losing your house keys, and lose access to important services.

Because you made yourself dependent on these smartphone-only services beforehand. Don't do that.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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This is the way! I do not have a smartphone. I print maps, use email, print boarding cards, do my banking and shopping with a web browser, pay with cash or a debit card. I think people have been brain washed to believe they can no longer live life without being enslaved by a surveillance device. Lost? Ask for directions. Need a map? Go to a hotel or a tourist center, or print one in advance.

When you go on holiday, do you have to find an Internet café to print off your boarding pass for the flight home? Or do you select destinations covered by airlines that allow you to get a boarding pass more than 48 hours in advance?

Most airports have kiosks to print boarding passes. It isn't the end of the world.

Also luggage check-in counters will print a boarding pass.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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I am from Nordic country. I did not use any cash, had no wallet for several years. It's not needed. After the US government acting like it does I mostly stopped using cards. Like with phone OSes a US-controlled duopoly. Cash does not to need to be used anywere, but cards can be avoided for weeks until I need to use it again. Most can be handled by cash or bank transfer without problems. For phones I have not any Goog…

> Cash does not to need to be used anywere, but cards can be avoided for weeks until I need to use it again. Your experience sounds interesting but I can't infer what this sentence means.

Sorry, I should proof-read my comments... Can't edit it anymore

It is not necessary to use cash anywhere because cards can be used really everywhere.

But if you don't want to use cards, it's still possible to avoid it for weeks in row. You can pay cash at most brick and mortar places and by bank transfer at most online sites.

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