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They're hardly more dangerous than a lithium battery!
Can a flick of the thumb create a flame with the kinds of lithium-ion batteries allowed on planes?
Do you seriously think a fag lighter with a self extinguishing flame is more dangerous than a burning lithium battery.
Seriously?
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No, the context was getting a handle on smoking, not some alternative goalpost. As lung cancer rates plummet from lack of second hand smoke nobody should ever lament that even if people are doing something else not great. Classic “perfect is the enemy of good”.
That’s a little like celebrating the reduction of heroin usage while ignoring that fentanyl addition has sky rocketed. While I do agree that vaping is better than smoking. The real crux of the problem is the addition that needs treating. Celebrating the rise of vaping feels a little like celebrating an own goal. You’ve put all that time and effort into reducing the effects of smoking and yet you haven’t actually solv…
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No, the context was getting a handle on smoking, not some alternative goalpost. As lung cancer rates plummet from lack of second hand smoke nobody should ever lament that even if people are doing something else not great. Classic “perfect is the enemy of good”.
We don’t actually know the lung cancer rates of vaping yet because the population of people who have been doing it for 30+ years is zero. I’m not even advocating for banning vapes, just maybe not having free market capitalism for new potentially harmful product categories by default.
Also vaping isn’t even new at this point. We’re at probably 20 years now of the first vape pens hitting the US mainstream (the ones they made look like cigarettes).
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That’s a little like celebrating the reduction of heroin usage while ignoring that fentanyl addition has sky rocketed. While I do agree that vaping is better than smoking. The real crux of the problem is the addition that needs treating. Celebrating the rise of vaping feels a little like celebrating an own goal. You’ve put all that time and effort into reducing the effects of smoking and yet you haven’t actually solv…
If fentanyl had 1/100th the death rate of heroin we absolutely would be celebrating it. That’s what we’re discussing here. I don’t think you understand how bad smoking is.
But that isn’t what’s happening. New people who never smoked are vaping too. And we don’t know what the long term (30+ year effects) of vaping is. So we could still be complacently walking ourselves into a major health crisis.
So we have to ask ourselves: should we really be encouraging people to vape? And by that, I don’t mean to smokers who are trying to quit. I mean to everyone including those who have never smoked.
People in this very thread have literally talked about vaping like it’s a healthy lifestyle choice. And that’s entirely the wrong messaging.
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We don’t actually know the lung cancer rates of vaping yet because the population of people who have been doing it for 30+ years is zero. I’m not even advocating for banning vapes, just maybe not having free market capitalism for new potentially harmful product categories by default.
There are populations of people that have been exposed to fog machines daily for that duration of time as part of their jobs. This isn’t a complete unknown. Also vaping isn’t even new at this point. We’re at probably 20 years now of the first vape pens hitting the US mainstream (the ones they made look like cigarettes).
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In the context of the alternative which was “nobody really smokes or vapes” it’s not really a good outcome. Sure, smoking rates cratered. It was great. But now vaping rates have gone up and it just didn’t have to happen that way at all. Go back a few years and less people vaped with similarly low smoking rates. Vaping didn’t replace smoking, its net new usage.
No, the context was getting a handle on smoking, not some alternative goalpost. As lung cancer rates plummet from lack of second hand smoke nobody should ever lament that even if people are doing something else not great. Classic “perfect is the enemy of good”.
Vaping and smoking are two essentially separate health concerns. Why can’t we focus on both at the same time? Are we cognitively impaired as a society and public health apparatus?
The fact that the reduction in smoking usage and lung cancer rates is commendable is not mutually exclusive from having a desire not to grow a whole new form of nicotine addiction in a new generation.
If you look at usage graphs, smoking was already declining, and then vaping exploded in popularity in just the last 4 years or so. Smokers have largely not been replacing their smoking with vaping. The majority of picking up vapes are new users who have never smoked.
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It makes you wonder how accurate the smoking cancer stats are. IF everyone smoked, presumably this means a lot of people who are not recorded in the stats despite smoking or former smokers, lowering the mortality rate or risk factor, although obvious smoking is still bad.
About 1/2 of all people who ever died from smoking-related causes were non-smokers.
If you wait until age 60 before you start smoking, you'll get all the benefits of nicotine--weight loss, more energy, appetite suppression--and you won't live long enough to develop tobacco-related disease.
Truly a better time - today we worry about using Rust 'unsafe' too often. They had a smoking room on a hydrogen airship! /j
Our brains are becoming more plastic by volume than neurons. I'm not sure we have a leg to stand on when lecturing the past.
We're still not even sure what nanoplastics do to human biochemistry.
Hardly the same.
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Can a flick of the thumb create a flame with the kinds of lithium-ion batteries allowed on planes?
Mate, are you joking? Do you seriously think a fag lighter with a self extinguishing flame is more dangerous than a burning lithium battery. Seriously?
I.e. a lighter is likely more dangerous in practice.