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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by jamesnorden »

amelius wrote: post #206
basilikum wrote: post #205

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

I always put printers (2d and 3d) behind a firewall so they cannot reach the internet. This prevents auto-updates and surprises like disappearing functionality.

I've been bitten by an HP printer auto updating and my aftermarket ink suddenly not being acceptable. Never buying HP again after that.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by hypfer »

Filligree wrote: post #209
hypfer wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, not really. I wouldn't buy an alternative to a P1S, because only the P1S is the best at being the P1S. (Whatever that might entail) Instead, I'd look at things from the perspective of "what do I want?" and not "What does the market offer? Okay, I want that thing. But no, I want an alternative to it that is that thing but without downside" Letting a brand set your frame of reference is the first step into total de…

There aren’t currently any alternatives which do an equally good job of printing, except for other Bambu products.

Yes but what does "equally good job of printing" mean, I wonder.

That's what I meant with "the P1S is the best at being the P1S when measured by the P1S".

I am pretty sure that if you for example do functional PLA parts, there will be many, many more options that tick exactly that box.

I do of course understand that people want to have the mental peace of buying one thing and being told that it can do everything, but, as said, you pay for that emotional labor with lock-in and eventually being rug-pulled.

The only way of not getting rug-pulled is not handing away all of your agency wholesale just for cheap immediate emotional relief.

That's how it works, how it has always worked and how it will always work. Anyone claiming anything else is in the process of actively scamming you.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

jamesnorden wrote: post #211
amelius wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always put printers (2d and 3d) behind a firewall so they cannot reach the internet. This prevents auto-updates and surprises like disappearing functionality.

I've been bitten by an HP printer auto updating and my aftermarket ink suddenly not being acceptable. Never buying HP again after that.

I once updated my Epson, and it started rejecting aftermarket ink. Fortunately there is a way to downgrade the firmware.

Never buying a cartridge based inkjet printer again.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by basilikum »

navane wrote: post #208
basilikum wrote: post #205

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

Is this the reverse "you wouldn't download a car"?

You wouldn't download [and print] a 3D printer.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by p0w3n3d »

basilikum wrote: post #205

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

> later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft.

I've always been told it's called business. But I fully agree with you. Just wanted to note that this is the current business model both with hardware and software

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by armamut »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #32
SchemaLoad wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it but switched back to the online mode because being able to remotely check in via the app is very useful to check the print hasn't failed.

Mine is now offline. But when it was online, I never checked the app for failed prints. If the print has failed, I'll find out when I'm near enough to it to do something about it. When offline, it amused me when there was a "hairball" and the printer detected it advising "AI Detecting Print Error". At what level does an image analysis algorithm become "AI"?

afaik, these kind of image analysis/computer vision algorithms are called AI by definition. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence]

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by _flux »

anakaine wrote: post #193
oliwarner wrote: post #37

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> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.

I dont understand what the issue is. Theres not really any benefit in having cloud enabled if local is working fine. I have my bambu printer set to local only, and dont miss the cloud offer one bit.

I imagine some (many?) people just enjoy accessing their printer over the mobile phone without setting up VPN, even if said mobile phone isn't on the home wifi.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by p0w3n3d »

amelius wrote: post #206
basilikum wrote: post #205

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

I always put printers (2d and 3d) behind a firewall so they cannot reach the internet. This prevents auto-updates and surprises like disappearing functionality.

that's what I had in my mind - I want to switch back to HP printer because the Brother I bought has inferior picture printing quality, but I am scared of any software update, so I guess I'll connect it to old linux machine and serve via CUPS

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by basilikum »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #215
basilikum wrote: post #205

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

> later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. I've always been told it's called business. But I fully agree with you. Just wanted to note that this is the current business model both with hardware and software

Crime is unfortunately legal.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by robotmay »

nazgu1 wrote: post #170

I considered buying bambu lab A1, bout watching this and previous dramas I rather go with different vendor. Are there any good alternatives for newcomers? I like hacker nature and openness of Prusa, but I’m worried if it is good printer as a first one…

I bought an Elegoo Centauri Carbon late last year and that's been very good so far. Had a minor issue of a sensor disconnecting after a month, but took 10 minutes to fix it (cable had come loose, probably in transit).

It was absurdly cheap for its spec (£260 is what I paid, delivered) and can be run entirely without internet access with no issues. People were a bit miffed when they announced a v2 with multi-filament support, but they just announced an addon to upgrade the first version to a similar spec and it's again really cheap - £55 delivered here in the UK.

If I was printing more professionally I'd probably go for a Prusa, but the cost/benefit isn't there for someone new to it, unless you have plenty of dosh - in which case go for it. As someone getting into it, the price of the Centauri Carbon is so reasonable that it's hard to argue against it.

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