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EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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post #194

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> Under your definition, Hacker News goes away, too. It doesn’t have to go away, just switch to chronological sorting.

Have you ever browsed by New and seen the firehose of shit which doesn’t make it to the front page? HN sorted by new is effectively useless and you might as well shut the site down at that point. “Chronological only” might work for something like Twitter where you’re choosing to follow specific individuals to see their posts, it can’t work for curation sites like HN/Reddit.

That could be solved by allowing users to filter by score or number of comments.

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post #187

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Is any form of government regulation of corporate actions fascism in your view? Where is the line drawn?

This is a clear line and we fought Europe already over this in the last century. There is absolutely no world where we need a group of people telling us how long we are allowed to be on TikTok. It is inexcusable to think this way in a free democracy.

Part of a free democracy is that we get to think in whichever way we want, actually.

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The most on-brand solution for the EU would be to require mobile phone users to upload brain scans in real-time so the state can check for neural activity associated with addiction.

The most on brand solution for a kneejerk reactionary American would be to satirize the EU for its consumer protections.

Pretty sure candy colored EU paradise even today is discussing on breaking encryption and privacy for its citizens.

I'm posting from the EU.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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But still an algorithm. The difference is that we (at least some of us) place a greater trust in the integrity behind how information surfaces on HN. I think that some parts of it are open source, and the moderators are transparent enough about what isn't public + there is a mix of folk knowledge that explains how HN works under the hood. Depersonalized algorithms or recommender systems aren't inherently better than…

Yes it's still an algorithm. Cable TV programming is another example. Everyone sees the same content. The ads are changed at the local broadcaster level but are not tailored to the individual, and are not harmful in the ways the EU is regulating. If anything, everyone watching the same thing is good for social cohesion. Everyone discusses the latest TV episode the next day at the office.

Right. Withholding the fact that cable television doesn't appear to be the typical distribution method anymore, how do broadcasters select/schedule their programming?

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This sounds like a "depression isn't real" and "if you're addicted, just stop" type of comment.

Depression is real, I'm experiencing it right now reading these comments. You know what, why don't you go buy a carton of cigarettes and some heroin, and go use that for a few months. Since it's the same thing as looking at a news feed you shouldn't have to worry about addiction because you've already done that and not gotten addicted to it, so you should be fine, right?

> Depression is real, I'm experiencing it right now reading these comments.

No, you aren't. You are trivializing what Depression actually is by making flippant comments like that. You're also letting everyone know that you are utterly ignorant to what Depression actually is.

Do better.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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Not sure what confiscation would accomplish that regulation couldn’t? I mean we’re all aware that if regulators target TikTok then a new app would pop up and take its place. But the thing about regulation is that it doesn’t need to be water tight. You can just target a small handful of large players and it will improve the situation in practice. It doesn’t matter if 998/1000 apps use addictive feeds if the largest tw…

It’s naive to think that regulation is going to cover the entire global internet. If you regulated domestic companies out of existence, global options would pop up in their place. You could try to block them all in app stores but people would go to the web views.

I think that's still mostly fine. Youtube is already not an app but a web site (It has apps too but I think it's less app centric than e.g. instagram).

Obviously we need the ability to regulate also global options. Typically if these actors truly become big, then they have a presence in their "target" countries, such as ad sales.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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post #207

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But if you stop using social media, you don't still have a risk of lung cancer in the future. The effects of social media usage are surely reversible by stopping using it and then some retraining of the brain. The effects of years of smoking are not so reversible in terms of what it does to your body.

Why are you so sure that the effects of social media are reversible?

Neuroplasticity. Seems better than the damage caused to your lungs and cells from smoking.

I mean, do you have any evidence that the brain is irreversibly damaged by social media? I have not seen any, but I have seen evidence that there is permanent cell damage from smoking.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

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post #118

I heard someone on a podcast call social media algorithms "the modern-day cigarette" and that really resonated with me. These companies know their product is addictive and bad for users, but they keep pushing it anyways. Like cigarettes, it's bad for everyone, not just kids. I made an algorithm blocker for Safari because of that and it's actually crazy how much more pleasant social media is if you don't have recommen…

The problem is when the product becomes an optimization machine for attention
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