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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by Leonard_of_Q »

pibaker wrote: post #198
altairprime wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media isn’t always about consuming content . It’s also about getting jolts of momentary joy and reward. You get those in two ways: seeing cool things, and participating in cool things. Especially cool things before they go viral. Clicking like on a post that isn’t viral yet , and gambling to yourself whether it will go viral, has the same dopamine flux when it pays off as winning at the slots. Even my reward-d…

By stopping integer counts do you mean not collecting upvotes and downvotes at all or just not displaying them? If it is the later, I think it can be an interesting experiment, although I doubt it matters that much because you can still gauge the "engagement" based on how your posts rank. But there is absolutely no way HN could work if posts and submissions stop being sorted based on their votes. Community moderation…

Voting combined with voting on the votes/voters worked quite well in the olde days of yore when Slashdot used such a system. You did not 'vote up' or 'vote down', instead you voted things like 'insightful' or 'overrated'. Some of those categories caused the vote count to go up, others caused it to go down. Users decided for themselves whether they wanted to see all posts or only those above a given threshold. Then there was the meta-moderation system wher a rotating cadre of users could flag abusive votes. If a user got too many sch flags he lost his voting rights. This latter system would be good to have here as well given that I've seen a lot of abuse of the down-vote button where all recent posts for a user who has voiced an opinion outside of some desired narrative get voted down no matter their subject. Such abuse would be caught if there were a meta-moderation system in place. It would help reduce the group-think which is seen on sites like HN and Reddit.

A similar voting system is - or was - in place on lobste.rs where a reason for voting down needs to be given. It does - or did - not have meta-moderation though which takes away the possibility to get rid of vote-abusers.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by Leonard_of_Q »

piva00 wrote: post #149
pixel_popping wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human? AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

What's the point of listening to purely AI-generated music? I don't mean music that has AI-generated stems as part of an arrangement, where a human actually created it and used AI for bits and pieces, I don't see absolutely any point on listening to purely AI-generated music. The fundamental essence of music is emotion, listening to something generated without emotion has no point, it might sound good but it's hollow…

> What's the point of listening to purely AI-generated music?

For formulaic music-as-a-product (McMusic™) it arguably makes no difference whatsoever whether it is totally machine-made or assembled out of vat-grown parts in the musack factory . This says far more about this category of music than it does about the value of machine-made music. Insta-pop, a large fraction of hiphop, supermarket country, plastic metal, there's plenty of formulaic thrash made by both man as well as machine. Even the supposedly man-made stuff was often half machine-made already before the advent of generative models so that other half did not make much of a difference.

If you're looking for music which makes you feel things (other than 'comfortably numb' to borrow a phrase from some real musicians) you're probably looking in the wrong area. It is the new music for airports, elevator music, hold-the-line music, slide-show-music, acoustical filler.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by chewz »

lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

Perhaps next generation isn't necessary anymore. At least majority that can't adjust.

Euthanasia for the young might be the best we can offer to the next generation.

Rapidly depopulating Earth below 1 bilion people or less seems in our reach.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by altairprime »

pibaker wrote: post #198
altairprime wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media isn’t always about consuming content . It’s also about getting jolts of momentary joy and reward. You get those in two ways: seeing cool things, and participating in cool things. Especially cool things before they go viral. Clicking like on a post that isn’t viral yet , and gambling to yourself whether it will go viral, has the same dopamine flux when it pays off as winning at the slots. Even my reward-d…

By stopping integer counts do you mean not collecting upvotes and downvotes at all or just not displaying them? If it is the later, I think it can be an interesting experiment, although I doubt it matters that much because you can still gauge the "engagement" based on how your posts rank. But there is absolutely no way HN could work if posts and submissions stop being sorted based on their votes. Community moderation…

Just not transmitting the numbers to clients. I’m aware that a dedicated actor could try to infer their effects through study, code, etc., but I’m interested in the effect on the majority of people rather than those adamantly intent on counting their numbers.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by ForHackernews »

ryandrake wrote: post #14
KK7NIL wrote: post #8

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He's pointing out that labor has always opposed labor saving technology, despite that being the basis of our modern quality of life.

In the past, "labor saving technology" has always spawned alternate jobs that people could take with some retraining. This time it might be truly different. If one day AI can actually do all knowledge work, there might not be anything left for former knowledge workers to do. There's no physical law that says new technology necessarily produces 1:1 new, different jobs.

Most jobs for most of human history have not been "knowledge work" involving symbolic manipulation. Maybe all the marketers, business analysts and software engineers of the world can take up their true callings as plumbers, carpenters and dishwasher repair people.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by ludicrousdispla »

mywacaday wrote: post #55
lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

My great hope for AI is that it kills social media by making 99% of content and comments untrustworthy and not worth consuming.

you'll be happy to learn that has already happened.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by sings »

altairprime wrote: post #84
mywacaday wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My great hope for AI is that it kills social media by making 99% of content and comments untrustworthy and not worth consuming.

Social media isn’t always about consuming content . It’s also about getting jolts of momentary joy and reward. You get those in two ways: seeing cool things, and participating in cool things. Especially cool things before they go viral. Clicking like on a post that isn’t viral yet , and gambling to yourself whether it will go viral, has the same dopamine flux when it pays off as winning at the slots. Even my reward-d…

I find this idea of getting in early interesting, because it is completely novel to me. Is it common for people to derive so much pleasure from voting for something before it gathers momentum? You really lean into this idea, likening it to winning a jackpot, so I assume it is at least somewhat widespread.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by tim333 »

whateveracct wrote: post #67
lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

as is tradition. an AI boom is always followed by an AI winter haha

It has been in the past. I think this time is different though.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by whateveracct »

tim333 wrote: post #218
whateveracct wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as is tradition. an AI boom is always followed by an AI winter haha

It has been in the past. I think this time is different though.

as is tradition

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by slowgramming »

pixel_popping wrote: post #119
cdrnsf wrote: post #104

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No. It ruins art, ruins music, ruins communication and on and on. It's cancerous with respect to anything related to art or cultural value.

Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human? AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

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