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Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

We're way past just collecting for a while now.

it's more like knowledge extraction at this point. younger generations don't build up knowledge any more, everyone else is slowly losing their knowledge by not using it.

Eventually the rug pull comes and knowledge will only be accessible by those who can afford it.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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I'm aware of a few things, myself: 1) Google properties 1a) Chromecast 2) a few web-based games that were really pushing the envelope on web APIs and didn't bother testing on Firefox 3) WebUSB, commonly used for some things like keyboard customization apps

Which Google properties are Chrome only? I'm not doubting you but the major ones (search, mail, maps, ads) are extremely cross-platform.

YouTube is terrible on Firefox. There was a period where it was usable but got increasingly worse with missed frames, low frame rate. On FastMail and Gmail the expanded search overlay doesn't disappear when you click outside (ESC doesn't work), you often get stuck with it. On YouTube when you stop hovering over the "I like this" etc. on full screen video view, the tooltip doesn't disappear. It's death by a thousand cuts.

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why would you use brave with annoying crypto and no customization over superior Vivaldi?

To each their own, but I've been using Brave for a long time (5+ years I think?). It was one or 2 clicks to turn off the crypto stuff when I first installed it. It was straightforward and no dark patterns were employed. It has never come back, unlike what Google and Firefox tend to do with their annoying features. It even syncs my preferences to any new browser I add so I only had to do it on one computer once and ne…

Vivaldi just works without annoying crypto and most importantly provides lot of customization, brave feels like barebone browser next to it, hard to understand why someone stays on such basic browser not allowing any customization (tried both and was shocked how bad is Brave many promote here).

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine of they get blocked by Cloudflare for not having enough fingerprinting tech.

What browser can genuinely claim independence from Google? Chromium browsers are all arguably in the same camp. If FF is implicated, then so are forks like Zen. Safari is probably the only one?

Safari is funded by Google to the tune of $20B/year https://www.theverge.com/news/769599/google-apple-search-dea...

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I was using Firefox, Vivaldi, Zen, and finally got fed up with various issues that Zen was having, so I switched to Waterfox. I am very happy and the browser is very fast; difference is immense.

Waterfox is literally owned by an ad company.

Do you have any source on that?

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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I was using Firefox, Vivaldi, Zen, and finally got fed up with various issues that Zen was having, so I switched to Waterfox. I am very happy and the browser is very fast; difference is immense.

try ironfox sometime. I think its better for privacy.

It seems to be only available for mobile?

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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post #96

My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

When you use a coding model running on someone else's computer, you're giving an AI company your proprietary source code and associated documentation, and you're giving free training examples to make a future AI model better equipped to eliminate your job. Valuable data indeed.

Which is why it is odd to see so many companies jumping on the bandwagon, even those that have always been super protective of their oh so valuable proprietary internal code.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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It seems to me that adding AI to desktop apps and sending the data back to the mothership for processing is an amazing way to collect data from people who, for the most part, would be completely unaware it's even happening. Heck, most of them think the Internet is Chrome.

> Heck, most of them think the Internet is Chrome. In the end Google has achieved something that Microsoft couldn't with Internet Explorer, and won the Browser Wars. Google managed to aggressively advertise their browser by optional install "offer" within Windows installers of software. And they were aiming exactly at all those who couldn't tell the difference between the web browsers and who were conditioned by more…

What annoys me the most about this is that we as web developers have been here before with IE and managed to get out of it. Then we immediately forgot that lesson and helped Chrome be the new IE in a new coat by adopting ”modern web API’s” that were in fact proprietary Chrome API’s with low respect for the standards process, until every other browser was forced to accept it as a standard. All those ”Safari/Firefox are lagging behind” or ”best supported in Chrome” wasn’t in our best interest or even, from a standards perspective, particularly true.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Chrome likes to make up new "standards" and then some websites adopt them immediately. That said, I can only remember two instances of that slightly inconveniencing me in the past, and both times I was inconvenienced by a Google-run website: once upon a time Google Earth refused to work, and once upon a time I couldn't tweak my Google Meet background. Both are no longer the case.

Citation needed. I've seen the opposite--unless there's a very specific niche that can't be otherwise solved, there's huge internal resistance to going it alone. The biggest counterexample I can think of: WebUSB was critical to Chromebooks supporting external devices, but I can see why Safari might not want it. It has Firefox support at last, though.

Citation of what exactly? That not all browsers implement the same thing at the same time and that some features are Chrome-exclusive because for one reason or another other browsers refuse to implement it?

Is that really something you need a citation on? You sure seem to have come up with an example of your own.

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That's a different kind of sketchy than whatever crypto ad replacement stuff that Brave was accused of doing.

The stuff brave actually did was pretty mild.

Its only mild if you are already a well boiled frog.
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