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Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by Aurornis »

reactordev wrote: post #191
Aurornis wrote: post #178

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> Motherboards used to be $100, $200 for the high end. Now they want $300+ Entry level motherboards are still $100. $300+ is a very high end motherboard. The existence of very high end products is confusing because it can give the impression that you have to buy a $300 motherboard because it exists. If you compare features side by side you're rarely missing anything important for the entry level motherboards. Some pe…

If you’re dropping that kind of cash, you definitely want to future proof it and not go with the budget lastgen motherboards.

Future proofing is an expensive way to pay for features you don't need and will probably never use.

It's smarter to buy a cheap motherboard that meets your needs now. If in the future you find the need for USB4 or some other feature, upgrade the motherboard.

More often than not, builders will try to future proof for eventualities that don't arrive before it's time to upgrade to the next CPU socket anyway. There are a lot of people with expensive, outdated "futureproofed" builds who would have been better off saving the money on the original purchase so they could upgrade sooner instead.

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Post by mordae »

varispeed wrote: post #171
himata4113 wrote: post #55

I was looking into self-hosting deekseek v4 pro since frankly cache reads are an absolute scam and they're 90% of the cost, but then I looked at the ROI and it will never pay off fast enough because the hardware will become obsolete faster even if you were running 10 token generation streams 24/7. The napkin math resulted that renting is around 27 times cheaper than owning (not including power). I think we're really…

Would you mind sharing the napkin maths?

Not OP, but basically take GiB/s and divide by 30. You need at least 128GiB to hold the model, too. It's expensive to get 200 GiB/s, very expensive to get 400 GiB/s and above that you are looking at DC-grade GPUs. Multiple, in fact.

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Post by saysjonathan »

dangus wrote: post #138
Liftyee wrote: post #38

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I should have upgraded my GTX 1060 6GB last year. Last year I said I should have upgraded my 1060 last year. I bought it second hand 7 years ago and it is still the same price. I don't do much gaming, and it runs Immich / etc light inference just fine. One thing I don't regret is getting 32GB of DDR4 when I built the system around the time of the GPU upgrade.

Sometimes you just have to accept the current pricing and buy what you need to buy (assuming you need to buy anything at all). 7 years ago it was the same price, but then again, the last 7 years have involved accelerated inflation. So, the same price is actually a lower price. If you're looking for a card in the sane $300 area, the Intel ARC B580 (12GB) or the RX 9060XT (8GB) are a reasonable value. If you want 12GB+…

3060ti only has 8GB, 3080ti has 12GB. That’ll make a difference for prices/comparison.

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Post by ls612 »

johndhi wrote: post #175
fatal94 wrote: post #117

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This will surely bring new energy into opening these platforms, as it did in days before

why? I'm interested to know, WHY is PC so open? what led to that?

Because Microsoft commodified their complement in the 1980s to break the back of IBM.

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Post by Tanoc »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #172
jolmg wrote: post #128

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> and the 'realism' of video games plateauing. I used to think the plateau was here when the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out.

I still think it pretty much was the last major generational upgrade in graphics. An early PS3 game looked night and day better than a late PS2 game. Meanwhile, an early PS4 game looked only marginally better than a late PS3 game, and most PS5 games don't look noticeably better than a PS4 game. I don't mind that graphics have plateaued, because they aren't the important bit. If anything, I would rather that devs stop…

Texture resolution and shadow resolution do a lot to make a game look better. The big difference between the PlayStation 2 and 3 was the massive jump in texture resolution, shadow resolution and model polygon count. Play Gran Turismo 5 and go look at one of the cars imported from Gran Turismo 4 for a good example. However the PlayStation 2 was capable of some very high polygon count models, as evidenced by Lulu's cutscene model from Final Fantasy X that rivals most PlayStation 3 player models in detail. Those resolution upgrades, the number of objects and not just polygons displayable on screen, and the increase in distance required for low-poly LOD models all made that giant leap possible and very visible. Since then it's mostly been adding camera effects such as depth of field and ambient occlusion that are much less noticeable. Though for those with keen eyes, only in the current generation are there textures without noticeable anti-aliasing effects which came as a result of being able to split the UVs thanks to a higher resolution making small UV faces possible.

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Post by t-3 »

ericd wrote: post #157
ButyTh0 wrote: post #10

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Because they own nothing but make believe stocks and life works great for them. The mega-rich are 100% decoupled from physical reality. May as well treat them more like tribal shaman, priests, preachers, and rabbis. Just parroting memes the likewise idiot politicians believe are the magic chants that keep gravity itself pulling together the Earth. "Omg he said the thing! Cut his taxes! Give him welfare!" Our generati…

Why is it that new accounts these days always seem to come out swinging about politics, class warfare, etc?

AI-fueled agitprop campaigns.

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Post by rrix2 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #169
craftkiller wrote: post #158

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> I already have home sever rack, and would recommend it for other people. I just want to warn people who haven't heard server-grade hardware in-person before: this is only for people who can put a server rack somewhere unpopulated like a garage or basement. Servers will make you think "wow, leafblowers sure are quiet". They are not suitable for apartment dwellers such as myself. When I was setting up my 1U before sh…

> my 1U 1Us have the most compromised ventilation and compensate with loud fans running at high speeds.

I have a 4U with noctua fans and the loudest part of my rack is the harddisks

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Post by uncircle »

tayo42 wrote: post #41
iFred wrote: post #24

High end resins and epoxies are in a critical supply shortage right now. I suspect that there are going to be some serious resource driven PCB shortages in the very near future.

Is anything not in a shortage?

Slop

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Post by greycol »

amluto wrote: post #152
dangus wrote: post #127

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I don't really agree with this. Motherboard prices haven't been moved at all by AI. I would also say that most consumers, who are almost exclusively buying gaming-oriented boards, do not need anything high end. They can pretty much buy the cheapest board available. I am shopping around for a mini ITX board and the difference between something at $180 and something at $400 is basically one to two faster USB ports, whi…

I am massively sick of gaming focused boards. I don’t want my board to be “tough” or “mil-spec” or be extra shiny or have fancy-proprietary-auto-overclock. I want a reliable board that complies with all the specs it claims to support. Low idle power consumption would be nice, too. This is obnoxiously difficult to shop for in the desktop/workstation space.

The PCIe lanes are the worst. You have x16 slots that run x1, you need to check slots with m.2 to make sure an x8 doesn't become x4 if you insert storage. Wait if I plug something into the thunderbolt port my 10g network card runs at half speed? Obviously these are actual physical limitation from PCIe lane counts, but it makes it impossible to search. Just painfull.

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Post by etrautmann »

craftkiller wrote: post #158
hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

> I already have home sever rack, and would recommend it for other people. I just want to warn people who haven't heard server-grade hardware in-person before: this is only for people who can put a server rack somewhere unpopulated like a garage or basement. Servers will make you think "wow, leafblowers sure are quiet". They are not suitable for apartment dwellers such as myself. When I was setting up my 1U before sh…

I had to provision a 1U server in grad school. Turing that thing on in the office was a joke. Completely impossible to work with it on if you were anywhere in that part of the office.
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