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'Point of no return': New Orleans relocation must start now due to sea level

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #207
danaris wrote: post #203

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I assure you, the proportion of New Orleans residents who would be able to leave now without financial hardship are not the majority. Even for reasonably-stable middle-class people, moving—especially out of a place like NOLA—is going to cause financial hardship.

We don't need them to "leave now." We don't need them to move to California. We need them to move to Baton Rogue over a period of decades . Under a high emissions scenario, sea level is projected to rise 6 feet by 2100. New Orleans is on average 1-2 feet below sea level (up to 10 feet). Baton Rouge is 60 feet above sea level. The average elevation of the state is 100 feet. In any given year, 15% of the population mov…

Baton Rouge is partially on a bluff. But didn't you see the 7m map? The coastline will be lapping at St. George, southern EBR Parish along Burbank Road and the south part of LSU campus at that point.

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Post by selimthegrim »

habinero wrote: post #66
rayiner wrote: post #54

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I don’t understand this formulation of “no one will be relocated.” People have agency to move themselves. Maybe not everyone, but if the majority of folks started moving out due to the risk of flooding then that would create a strong impetus for the government to assist poor people in relocating.

> a strong impetus for the government to assist poor people Haha. I'm gonna guess you're not American.

He is all too American.

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Post by lioeters »

alex43578 wrote: post #167
ykonstant wrote: post #159

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Damn, those poor and homeless are really living it up.

Is the solution to further mortgage working and contributing citizens' futures via our exploding national debt, just to throw more cash at them? California spends $40K+ a year, per homeless person, but saw the homeless population grow and the problem get worse. For welfare, consider that a single parent with two school-age children who earns $11,000 annually from part-time work ends up qualifying for $64,128 in cash,…

For $14B+ we could have solved poverty and homelessness for all of New Orleans. Where did the money go? Not to the poor, obviously. The system is broken by design.

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Post by mplanchard »

sjs382 wrote: post #196
selimthegrim wrote: post #185

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You and I and egypturnash know this but good luck with the rest of this crowd.

The energy, the community, the corruption, the vibrance, the hopelessness, the resilience, the city that care forgot. You can't relocate New Orleans. I know it's "gatekeeping" but it's so difficult to talk about with those who haven't had their every day consumed by it.

Most of my family is there, and I spent much of my childhood there. I have the same feeling as you. It’s such a beautiful, unique place, and I don’t think the locals will ever abandon it. City park with those beautiful oak trees will always be one of my favorite places on earth.

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Post by wat10000 »

bdangubic wrote: post #205
wat10000 wrote: post #103

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Is it unethical to lie in order to sell something? Yes, yes it is. This sort of puffery is relatively minor and is thus not tremendously unethical, but it is unethical.

> Is it unethical to lie in order to sell something? what exactly is a lie in this context specifically I wonder?

> “up and coming area” which never upped and never came

Is this so difficult that you can't even detect your own lie specifically constructed as an example of it?

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Post by [deleted] »

ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #68
tbrownaw wrote: post #39

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Was he wrong? That sounds like it was about some sort of mandatory-mitm scheme or ban on e2e encryption. Like, yes, you can pretty easily make it impossible for the government to decrypt your bits, but the government can just as easily arrest you for it.

He was effectively saying this: https://xkcd.com/538/

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Post by greycol »

tbrownaw wrote: post #39
msla wrote: post #20

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There's precedent: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema... > “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull [the Prime Minster of Australia]

Was he wrong? That sounds like it was about some sort of mandatory-mitm scheme or ban on e2e encryption. Like, yes, you can pretty easily make it impossible for the government to decrypt your bits, but the government can just as easily arrest you for it.

No he was saying he doesn't care that creating a backdoor for encryption means anyone can use that backdoor and that you must both follow the law by being secure but also follow the law by being insecure. People arguing that that creating encryption that both did and didn't have a backdoor was impossible got that little gem in return.

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Post by AuthAuth »

vintermann wrote: post #183
AuthAuth wrote: post #88

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You say this but there are still a lot of sales for houses in these areas

For less and less, presumably? Or is the housing situation so bad that prices rise even when the area will soon be underwater? It doesn't even matter, really. Suppose one person follows the sage advice of the HN glibertarians, sells his house and moves out. Good for him. But does this solve the problem? No, because now there's someone else there. Possibly a more desperate, poorer person. They can't all follow your ad…

Yes but I feel a lot less bad for the person who sells there house and moves now than the person moving in. Basically what I was trying to show is that the option is still available and people are choosing not to take it so can we really act like they're all trapped in this situation.

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Post by selimthegrim »

ArchieScrivener wrote: post #84

I say we wait until 2098 to start relocating so that way we can make a summer tent pole about it and pat ourselves on the back for coming together in the nick of time.

If you employ all the unemployed film people here it's a deal.

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Post by lovich »

selimthegrim wrote: post #160
lovich wrote: post #151

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> How can you fight when your power has been taken away from you? In ways I can not articulate on US social media sites without being permabanned. If you are giving power to the authoritarians and doing nothing to stop it, then you are effectively the gasoline in my enemies tanks. I wish it wasn't so, but that is how reality is.

Without going into too many details, I can tell you that the state laws of Louisiana have gotten a lot more preemptively fascist with regard to any sort of organization which you would describe

Don’t need to tell me. It’s a shit state with shit politics.

Doesn’t even follow the line of common law legal system the rest of the states use and is based on some French legal ancestry.

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