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EU Age Control: The trojan horse for digital IDs

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Re: EU Age Control: The trojan horse for digital IDs

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Mandatory app installation through the mandatory state sanctioned rootkit Google Play store and 4G/5G LTE modems on-chip management engines. And that doesn't even cover the ubiquitous app data partnerships which report your information upstream.

97% of population is ok with this

Not having a choice is not the same as consent

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In Latvia we've had digital id for close to 20 years. Banks mostly use their own auth, some rely on digital id. No travel service has ever wanted me to use digital id, let alone any other kind of shopping. What we use it for is access to government resources, and signing digital documents. I trust this system WAY more than whatever some company comes up with.

No limitations during corona? Remember travelling through your neighbour during corona and was treated worse than a ww2 jew in germany due to not having the authoritarian corona passport. This is what our every day will be like, when the state has internalized the enormous power of a 100% controlled digital ID. Bye, bye, freedom of thought.

>was treated worse than a ww2 jew in germany due to not having the authoritarian corona passport.

If you were to be treated worse than a jew in ww2 germany, you would not be writing about it here.

Re: EU Age Control: The trojan horse for digital IDs

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No limitations during corona? Remember travelling through your neighbour during corona and was treated worse than a ww2 jew in germany due to not having the authoritarian corona passport. This is what our every day will be like, when the state has internalized the enormous power of a 100% controlled digital ID. Bye, bye, freedom of thought.

You are most likely referring to the EU covid certificate. It functioned as a proof of vaccination or recent negative test, and yeah, that was required for travel at one point. And even then the verification end was `(code: string) -> valid: boolean` function, no personal data was accessible at validation point. It used the digital ID as SSO for accessing your records, so you could save / print the verification code,…

I think what is happening is a rather philosophical rejection of the mere idea that the government should affect ones life in any way for any reason. Somehow all the laws that existed before are below the baseline, so they kinda fine, but the new things -- those cause outrage.

Then comes this post-hoc rationalization about how it will inevitably be abused, Jews in Nazi Germany, apartheid and chips under the skin.

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>The problem is what follows Does it actually follow? It's there for 25 years in some European countries and "everyone" isn't on a government bad list dying of hunger.

Not sure if that sarcasm or you are serious. But yes, people have issues with access to banking in EU all the time.

I heard stories about banks (mostly the app ones) closing accounts for "no reason" (there is always a reason and it's mostly quite simple), but I haven't heard stories about accounts being refused to be opened or clsoed for not having a digital id. And double so for this happening because the government put them on a list.

The government of course can put you on the list, but they don't need digital id for that. They pass a law, the regulator sends the list to all the banks and boom, you are blocked. I guess we should not have banks or not have the government too.

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97% of population is ok with this

Not having a choice is not the same as consent

But you do have a choice. No one is takin away your physical IDs. But vast majority of population is begging for a safe digital ID solution.

Cash is still mostly accepted while majority of transactions are digital.

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I was talking about the reality of the US, but even if I was talking about Europe: how does the GDPR even enter this equation here? I was never asked for consent to have my face recorded when I get into a shop in Germany. Were you?

Security recordings fall into the category if legitimate need, and have to be deleted after a short while.

of not if

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They already do this. KYC, and similar laws. You can't open a bank account in 2026 (at least in the USA) without ID. You can't get credit, open an investment account, buy a house, vote, or be employed without an ID. A proper digital ID would eliminate a lot of problems we now have with identity theft, having to obsessively protect names, dates of birth, SSNs in our databases (these things were not considered secrets…

A proper digital ID would certainly make things more difficult for thieves, but if someone actually did manage to clone your ID you'd be in a world of hurt, since businesses would start to trust that ID to a greater extent than they trust anything online now.

But governments would be obliged to ensure that wouldn't happen and fix it if it did. We trust them to do the same for passports etc and it works fairly well.

Re: EU Age Control: The trojan horse for digital IDs

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Not having a choice is not the same as consent

But you do have a choice. No one is takin away your physical IDs. But vast majority of population is begging for a safe digital ID solution. Cash is still mostly accepted while majority of transactions are digital.

> vast majority of population is begging for a safe digital ID solution

Absolutely not. The population is fine with the status quo.

Re: EU Age Control: The trojan horse for digital IDs

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But you do have a choice. No one is takin away your physical IDs. But vast majority of population is begging for a safe digital ID solution. Cash is still mostly accepted while majority of transactions are digital.

> vast majority of population is begging for a safe digital ID solution Absolutely not. The population is fine with the status quo.

Huh? Maybe in Europe, yes where digital ID has been around for _decades_.

In US tho? You can get SSN of literally everyone and that's somehow enough to ID yourself.

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