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Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Don't table tennis players learn to predict how the ball will act based on their opponents movements? Seems like if they aren't able to do that with a robot opponent (who doesn't look or behave like a human) then they wouldn't be able to play at their best.

You can predict the movement of the ball (speed, direction, spin) based on the movement of the bat relative to the ball. What the rest of the player's body is doing is irrelevant to predicting what the ball will do - but relevant to predicting where they will be when you make the return shot.

That's not how humans operate though.

Humans use every clue they can get to predict the trajectory as early as possible. For example most players use a roughly similar technique for a certain stroke, e.g. the forehand topspin. They also tend to have a pretty narrow angle that they usually play it, relative to their body and their movement. Players use that predict where the ball will move, and position themselves accordingly. And they start that movement before their opponent has touched the ball.

Some players can deceive others by bending their wrist right before ball contact, which sends the ball in an unexpected direction (but that usually comes at the cost of an increased risk of missing the shot).

Similarly, the size of the stroke limits the pace (and spin) you can apply to the ball; when the opponent starts a short stroke, you can be sure the shot won't be fastest, and move closer to the table.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #209

Not to take anything away from the robot, but I would have liked to see the match be against a male player, as they can impart higher speed an spin on the ball, which would give the robot less reaction time.

It did play against a male player, as outlined in the article:

> Sony AI autonomous robot Ace returns a shot back against its human opponent, table tennis player Yamato Kawamata, during a match in December 2025, as seen in this photograph released on April 22, 2026.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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I'll be impressed when it's a humanoid robot that has to contend with similar kinematic limitations as a human player.

I'm already impressed by their progress, but I wouldn't say it puts robots on par with humans when it comes to table tennis.

Another limitation is that most humans[0] cannot actually see the spin that's on a ball, but need to predict it based on relative racquet movement to the ball. In the video, they say that their system measures spin.

[0]: Table tennis legend Timo Boll has stated that he has excellent eyesight, and can actually see the rotation of the ball, which helped him during service receive.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ping Pong is what you play for fun in the basement. The competitive sport is Table Tennis.

This is like software developers who write javascript wanting to be called engineers, isn't it

They're not even controlling a train or wearing a stripey hat. Losers.

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My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

Silly Devil's Advocate argument: What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with the stronger tech. What are the possible outcomes of this? Technologically superior countries start a race to acquire more territory, so large blocks expand and absorb other countries? More wars? Fewer wars? More suffering? Less suffering? Disclaimer: I'm not i…

It becomes nearly impossible for citizens to overthrow dictatorships, and countries with weak democracies will quickly be overpowered by the oligarchs living there, who can now impose their will on the larger population of poor citizens with impunity without worrying about being overthrown by overwhelming numbers. Having an electorate that is so misinformed that it can elect Trump becomes a much more dangerous liability.

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post #209

Not to take anything away from the robot, but I would have liked to see the match be against a male player, as they can impart higher speed an spin on the ball, which would give the robot less reaction time.

It did but didn’t win against not win against the male. It’s in the video from Sony AI.

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post #45

What happens when two of them play each other? How easy is it to introduce artifacts that reduce accuracy and performance?

Do you think they ever built two of them? :-)

> How easy is it to introduce artifacts that reduce accuracy and performance?

Probably pretty easy. Have less-than-perfect lighting or introduce some wind, and the AI has to do a huge amount of relearning.

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If war is mostly played out from a disrance I left a company because they pivoted to exactly this. There are so many companies in this space today, testing what they call "physical AI autonomy" today, and we have to recognize that this is our today. There are entire marketplace options for buying the pretrained, supported, private models, or the datasets if you have your own goals. If you're interested purely in di…

Friendly fire is going to get crazy. Can’t trust an LLM on its own for more than a few iterations..

Don’t worry, it will auto compact its context.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

> we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon Ah yes, China has a track record of invading countries. > or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s As opposed to NATO countries who have a steady increase in the number of young conscripts. > Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. I don't know why you put modern in parenthe…

> Ah yes, China has a track record of invading countries.

Claims on Taiwan. Building fake islands in the South China Sea. Encroaching on the Siachen glacier. Attempting to rename Indian states. Port capture in poor nations through default. They have plenty of expansionist tendencies, it’s just early in the game…

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#220

Is that a legal serve?

Technically not, because you're required to toss the ball with your free hand.

However, exceptions are made, for example I once played against a one-handed player, he simply tossed it with his playing hand, it was fine.

It's a bit hard to tell if the toss was high enough, it's supposed to be 15cm (about the height of the net), and this seems to be close to the limit.

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