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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Post by belorn »

throway23423 wrote: post #151

The first time i saw this concept of the 'double-tap' - to target first-responders to the scene of an earlier strike - was in the movie,' The Hurt Locker' - where it was employed by some ISIS-tier insurgents using a VBIED disguised as an ambulance. Presumably this was intended to show the level of depravity of the terrorists. First time actually seeing this employed in the real world was last year when Israel did a d…

Did you see the video that Wikileaks released, now 16 years ago, when the Apache helicopter fired on the first-responder on the the scene, a van which also included children.

At that point, another voice – presumably an officer not on scene – asks if the van is “picking up the wounded” and is told that they are. Two Iraqis from the van carry the wounded man around the side of the van to load him inside.

An American voice with the call sign “Bushmaster 7” says, “Roger, engage.” One of the helicopters blankets the van with machine-gun fire.

“Oh yeah, right through the windshield,” says one of the soldiers, while another voice on board briefly laughs. “There were approximately four to five individuals in that truck, so I’m counting about 12-15″ casualties.”

Later when news that two girls had been badly injured was greeted with: "Well, it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle."

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Post by basilgohar »

SilverElfin wrote: post #132
aibrahem wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the beginning, the founders of the Zionist movement were completely on board with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians from their lands to establish the Israeli state.

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Post by basilgohar »

DaveFr wrote: post #74
nielsbot wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way Zionism can be moral is if it abandons the idea of a Jewish supremacist nation.

Nobody says this about any Islamic country

There are no Islamic countries. All Muslim-majority countries remain power structures intended to maintain the power of the powerful and use Islam as part of their means to do so. To call them otherwise or label them Islamic is fruitless.

We do the same for Israel. They claim Judiasm but we know they do not represent it. The same for all so-called Islamic countries.

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Post by basilgohar »

SilverElfin wrote: post #187
22122 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

islam wasn't the only religion to have an empire. and islam spread through voluntary conversion, for hundreds of years the subjects of the islamic empires remained majority the pre conquest religion. also no muslim empire ever conquered indonesia and malaysia, yet they are two muslim majority countries today.

> islam spread through voluntary conversion False. > hundreds of years the subjects of the islamic empires remained majority the pre conquest religion Even if this was true, which I dispute, Islam imposes all sorts of methods to oppress other religions. Like special taxes for those who aren’t Muslims. > no muslim empire ever conquered indonesia and malaysia, yet they are two muslim majority countries today And now th…

You can dispute but you're still wrong. The majority of people under Islamic rule historically were non-Muslims but were afforded far greater rights than other societies, such as freedom or worship, protection, the right to their own laws, and the right to Islam's laws as well if they wanted.

And yes, they were taxed. Muslims paid zakat, non-Muslims paid jizyah. We can't make non-Muslims pay a religious tax, so they paid a different one. You make that sound like it's a bad thing.

Also, what you said about Malaysia and Indonesia is bizarrely bad and incorrect. It's not worth replying to you, you just spew lies like a Zionist. Oh wait...

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Post by khaledh »

throway23423 wrote: post #169
karim79 wrote: post #153

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> I wonder if the terrorists learnt this technique from the US coalition or vice-versa. Who are "the terrorists"?

I was referring to the terrorists in Iraq who were depicted in 'The Hurt locker'

Those are just Iraqi's that were defending their nation from a foreign invasion.

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Post by naikrovek »

belorn wrote: post #211
throway23423 wrote: post #151

The first time i saw this concept of the 'double-tap' - to target first-responders to the scene of an earlier strike - was in the movie,' The Hurt Locker' - where it was employed by some ISIS-tier insurgents using a VBIED disguised as an ambulance. Presumably this was intended to show the level of depravity of the terrorists. First time actually seeing this employed in the real world was last year when Israel did a d…

Did you see the video that Wikileaks released, now 16 years ago, when the Apache helicopter fired on the first-responder on the the scene, a van which also included children. At that point, another voice – presumably an officer not on scene – asks if the van is “picking up the wounded” and is told that they are. Two Iraqis from the van carry the wounded man around the side of the van to load him inside. An American v…

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Post by bdangubic »

throway23423 wrote: post #169
karim79 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder if the terrorists learnt this technique from the US coalition or vice-versa. Who are "the terrorists"?

I was referring to the terrorists in Iraq who were depicted in 'The Hurt locker'

s/terrorists/freedom fighters

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

fastasucan wrote: post #210
throway23423 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was referring to the terrorists in Iraq who were depicted in 'The Hurt locker'

Are you a terrorist if you attack an invading force during a war?

Yes, for the sole reason that it's just a label assigned by an invading enemy government.

The problem is that the label is used in media to assign moral judgement, when it's just a political proscription that is typically assigned for entirely geopolitical reasons. Almost every country occupying a foreign territory, or is engaged in war with a group, or even another country, calls military action of the other side terrorism.

It doesn't mean anything. If it is to carry a moral judgement, it needs to be based on universally applied principles. It takes 5 seconds of thinking to see that it's absolutely not based on universally applied principles.

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Post by thisislife2 »

nerdyadventurer wrote: post #172
karim79 wrote: post #68

For those unfamiliar with the "Dahiya Doctrine"[0] this is exactly that: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

There is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive which was activated in Oct 7. It is simply killing own people and solidiers to avoid capture.

The Hannibal Directive - the IDF's infamous "murder-suicide" pact, where in Israel's polity can take a decision to sacrifice their own civilians and soldiers to prevent them from being taken hostage by their enemies. In fact, it is now slowly being revealed that many of the so-called Hamas "savagery" that were hyped up by Israel and the western media about the killed civilians and soldiers were actually the result of Netanyahu government ordering the IDF to shoot, bomb and kill their own people and due to orders to disregard Israeli lives when attacking the Hamas militia:

- Israel expanded the use of its murderous “Hannibal Directive” – designed to prevent soldiers from being taken alive as prisoners of war – by killing many of its own civilians.

- The use of such “Hannibal” strikes are confirmed in a UN report published in June. - Fire from Israeli helicopters, drones, tanks and even ground troops was deliberately undertaken in order to prevent Palestinian fighters from taking live Israeli captives who could be exchanged for Palestinian prisoners.

- At the initiative of the local Gaza Division, “Hannibal” was carried out right away: less than an hour after the Palestinian offensive began. “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza,” the division was ordered at 11:22 am.

- By midday, an unambiguous order was given from the high command of the Israeli military (the so-called “Pit” headquarters, deep under Israel’s Hakirya building in downtown Tel Aviv) to invoke the Hannibal Directive throughout the entire region, “even if this means the endangerment or harming of the lives of civilians in the region, including the captives themselves.”

- Israel has been engaged in an aggressive cover-up of its crimes against its own people.

- “Every day in captivity was very hard,” one former detainee said at the angry meeting. “I was in a house when there were bombardments all around. We were sitting in tunnels and we were very afraid that, not Hamas, but Israel would kill us, and then they’ll say: ‘Hamas killed you.’” Another released detainee said: “The fact is that I was in a hideaway that was bombed, and we had to be smuggled away, and we were injured. Not to mention that we were shot at by a helicopter when we were on our way to Gaza … You are bombing the tunnel routes exactly in the area where they [the other captives] are.”

Think about the irony in that - Hamas wanted to keep, and did more, to keep the Israeli hostages alive than their own government or the IDF! (This is what happens when wacko religious fundamentalists run a country).

Sources:

1. How Israel killed its own people on October 7 - https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hun...

2. IDF carried out Hannibal Directive, new 'Sword of Damocles' operation on October 7 - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-84400...

3. Israel’s use of Hannibal Directive led to many deaths on October 7, including Israeli civilians - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/10/pqkz-j10.html

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