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FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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Good luck. These big tech companies have no incentive to care about support or really anything that isn’t tied directly to making money. And unless you have a friend there, Google staff have no incentive either. Solving this won’t help with their promotions.

Well yes, you get what you pay for and if you are on the free plan don't expect much.

I dont think this is limited to big tech.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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Oh that's a good idea! I got locked out of my YouTube premium account and they kept charging me. Couldn't get in contact with anyone at YouTube because the YT premium support line is behind the YT login. So I had to change my credit card number. Somehow they still kept billing the card, so the credit card company said they'd have to close my account entirely to get Google to stop billing me for a service they wouldn'…

Switch to Mercury banking. https://mercury.com/ You can create as many virtual cards as you want. And surprisingly, I've rarely encountered a vendor that rejects them. I set one up for pretty much every recurring service charge, just because it's so easy to do. It costs a few hundred a year for personal banking, but if you register an LLC (which in MO costs ~$10) you can use your EIN to get a business account. Did it…

That sounds like what Privacy.com does, but the virtual cards can still charge right through after you shut them down. NYTimes did that to me, after my trial sub expired, and Privacy did nothing to block it.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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> Gmail is not a monopoly. https://pdx.social/@evergreensewing/116388477430172491 > For the first time since we started the company back in January/February, we have a customer who does NOT use Gmail for their email address. > In case you wanted to see what a monopoly looks like.

Most people use Gmail because they want to, not because they have to. It's a free, superior product. Pretending voluntary preference is a monopoly is nonsense, but it is a very Mastodon-brained take.

One way monopolies form is by giving away something that others would have to charge money for.

Another way monopolies form is via exclusionary practices and the resulting impression that "things that aren't gmail are less reliable". (Anti-spam does not have to be exclusionary, and anti-spam is generally a good thing, but when it reliably sends smaller providers' mail to spam based solely on them being smaller providers, it is.)

Another way monopolies form is via social effects. "What's your gmail?", or people on first-tier technical support hearing you say an email address and assuming it's a gmail address and having to be corrected, and having never encountered one of those before.

Assuming any of those are "voluntary preference" is a take.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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> Gmail is not a monopoly. https://pdx.social/@evergreensewing/116388477430172491 > For the first time since we started the company back in January/February, we have a customer who does NOT use Gmail for their email address. > In case you wanted to see what a monopoly looks like.

This is anecdotal but here's the breakdown of top 10 e-mail providers from my database, does not look like a monopoly: MariaDB > SELECT SUBSTRING_INDEX(email, '@', -1) AS domain, COUNT(*) AS cnt FROM accounts GROUP BY domain HAVING domain != '' ORDER BY cnt DESC LIMIT 10; +-------------+-------+ | domain | cnt | +-------------+-------+ | hotmail.com | 38015 | | gmail.com | 16280 | | yahoo.com | 4080 | | o2.pl | 2321…

That's helpful data, thank you. Sounds like it may depend on the service. (I'm genuinely shocked to see that many hotmail addresses, and can't help but wonder if there are correlations with other factors.)

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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I gave up on trying to report abuse to Google, Amazon or Microsoft. It seems reports simply get ignored and the big providers do nothing. I hope the FSF with its weight and media presence can finally do something. Google, Microsoft, and Amazon are my major sources of spam. These days, this is where spam comes from. At this point, they are also too big to block. We allowed this to happen, through neglect and laziness.…

Not me, but then most people are allergic to paying $10 a month. I figure an email is worth a beer.

That must be some good beer!

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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I got a human being at Google to look into my problem and take action after sending a police report to Google‘s legal department certified mail return receipt along with a letter describing how someone was impersonating me and my business using a Gmail address in an attempt to commit fraud. Yes, it was a pain to take all of these steps and it probably took about 3 hours but it was absolutely necessary considering the…

Now thats how you do it. Paper trail holds all accountable.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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I got a human being at Google to look into my problem and take action after sending a police report to Google‘s legal department certified mail return receipt along with a letter describing how someone was impersonating me and my business using a Gmail address in an attempt to commit fraud. Yes, it was a pain to take all of these steps and it probably took about 3 hours but it was absolutely necessary considering the…

Did the letter identify you as a lawyer? I wonder if Google handles it differently if it has a law office letterhead etc.

IMHO its doesn't matter who you are. You don't need to be a layer to protect yourself in the right way. if you send a letter with evidence, certified with return receipt, if as a business, or a person, this is a good chance of liability if you don't respond if it ends up in court. There can be consequences for non-reposes. I have always had good results using this method. But you got to be clear about:

A. What the problem is B. Why you think there should be a response (I.E: What could happen if a response does not get acted on from your perspective, what harm could be continued, ect.) C. Set a requirement for a resonable response time and some kind of fee schedule or possible outcome if there isn't a response in a reasonable amount of time.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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I'm getting a lot, and I mean A LOT, spam recently from various " .bc.googleusercontent.com" domains. Not sure what can be done about that. But the uptick is very noticeable.

Depends on the mail server. I'd probably 5xx all mail from googleusercontent.com as I don't give a toss if something Google breaks, and could debug what happened from the mail server logs. Google's incompetence in marking all the OpenBSD mailing list traffic as spam is why I'm running my own MX. If you have actual customers on your mail services you should audit the logs, see if anyone is actually using Google for something legit (usually it's the spam, I mean, marketing department being their usual sleazy selves), maybe flag the messages as potential spam by default. If you do have users doing something wacky with googleusercontent.com (email notifications from batch jobs, or something?) there are other ways those notifications could be done, e.g. over a VPN or via some other service that would allow all googleusercontent.com to be blocked by default from doing SMTP, ideally at the firewall level so less CPU is wasted on them. Complications here are that people forget or leave and so there might be some wacky workflow that uses Google running on some walled off server somewhere, so it may be a months long "slow simmer" to see if there is anything legit hiding in the noise. Or you could yank the band-aid off and see what breaks?

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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Not me, but then most people are allergic to paying $10 a month. I figure an email is worth a beer.

That must be some good beer!

More likely at that price it's not good, it's just in a sports arena.

Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account

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I don't know if it's that simple. As a litmus test, try to set up your own mail server. See how many milliseconds it takes for it to be blacklisted by gmail. And then observe the response time for their support, when you try to clear up the confusion that google has about your intentions.

I run my own mail server, not blacklisted. Now I'm a bit of a special case, I know mail well. But when a moderately technical colleague wanted to do the same, I told her to use Mox, she set it up and Gmail doesn't block her either. So... would you please elaborate?

"Blacklisted" probably doesn't have a sufficiently clear definition. I don't even run my own server, just use a custom family domain that is served by protonmail, and discovered when trying to go through foster licensing that virtually all of the agencies were not reading my e-mails because Microsoft and Google alike were routing them into the spam folder, but they weren't being blocked or bounced. I wouldn't have even known if I hadn't called a few and asked them to check.

I am definitely not being flagged for any actual spam-like behavior. I might send out 40 e-mails a year, and even though it's a "family" domain, I'm the only one who has ever used it, ironically enough, as part of my decade-old effort to de-Google.

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