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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by dylan604 »

renewiltord wrote: post #63

Recently in SF, the police have been very open about their use of drones to follow thieves (completely violating their privacy). It is like China where there are posters telling you drone surveillance is in effect. I think we need to expand CCPA so that the government cannot simply spy on you by claiming that “criminals” are near you. Even criminals should have their privacy protected or else they will just label eve…

If you're being followed/tracked by a drone, you are clearly not in a place where you expect privacy. How are we confusing being out in public and expectation of privacy issues?

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Post by fragmede »

jfoworjf wrote: post #141
pesus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you run into any serious complications doing that? I'm a bit worried that I've used my google account for so long and for many things that I might accidentally lock myself out of something important without it.

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> I just use two hard drives sitting and home, replicated

The failure modes of that are fire/natural disaster, and thieves. Do that, but also have a geographically redundant backup scheme. Either encrypted eg Backblaze or a relatives house in another state.

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Post by dylan604 »

jll29 wrote: post #166
diego_moita wrote: post #28

Does anyone remember when western nations were freaking out that Huawei would handle everybody personal data to the Chinese government? Now, please tell me that American companies are better at privacy than the Chinese ones. Btw, some alternative email providers in truly democratic countries: * ProtonMail (Switzerland) * TutaMail, Posteo, Mailbox.org and Eclipso (Germany) * Runbox (Norway) * Mailfence (Belgium)

Personally, I would not trust anyone (e.g. ProtonMail) more than Google. If you have sensitive things in your emails, host your own mail, use GPG encryption or a one-time pad, or even avoid electronic networked machines altogether (depending on the level of security that you require). Switzerland-hosted services are no safer than others, recall that Crypto AG, who promised to sell secure encryption machines, were jus…

> host your own mail

This is such a myopic view of the situation. Are you going to only exchange emails with people you host as well? Otherwise, anyone you exchange emails with will go through other email providers.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

renewiltord wrote: post #63

Recently in SF, the police have been very open about their use of drones to follow thieves (completely violating their privacy). It is like China where there are posters telling you drone surveillance is in effect. I think we need to expand CCPA so that the government cannot simply spy on you by claiming that “criminals” are near you. Even criminals should have their privacy protected or else they will just label eve…

how does using a drone to follow thieves violate anyone's privacy? how is it any different than police pursuit in a marked car?

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Post by metrix »

pjc50 wrote: post #196
smallmancontrov wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in this industry. I sample the same distribution in person. I don't think they were, I know they were.

What they meant is "freedom to say slurs", not "freedom of LGBT books in school libraries"

Being trans, I feel this so much.

On a side note, it was interesting after Trump was elected where some of my co-workers wanted to use old pronouns after some laws changed _in meetings_ and I realized the only thing stopping them was the awkwardness it would have been for _them_ in that situation

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Post by delecti »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #190
smallmancontrov wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech indicates that this absolutely needs to be on the HN front page. > the administration’s rhetoric about cracking down on students protesting what we saw as genocide forced me into hiding for three months. Federal agents came to my home looking for me. A friend was detained at an airport in Tampa and interrogated about my whereabouts.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech

It does if those consequences are imposed by the government.

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Post by WalterBright »

dkural wrote: post #135
WalterBright wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are invited to visit someone's home, and you go, and say nasty things to the homeowner, you'll be tossed out despite your right to free speech. If you're a guest in another country, act like a guest. When I was living on a military base in Germany, I and my family were required to behave as a guest of the Germans. The military was quite strict about that. I didn't have any issue with that. When I travel to ano…

Different rules apply to members of the military stationed on a treaty-based foreign military base. However, as a thought experiment, let's go with your flawed analogy: Even then, this person was acting like a guest -- it is a long-cherished American tradition to exercise our constitutionally-protected right to free speech, assemble, and yes, protest. Nothing's more American than speaking against Government oppressio…

> Different rules apply to members of the military stationed on a treaty-based foreign military base.

Members of the military and their families stationed in a foreign country are required to behave as guests of the host country. This is not a joke and is not taken lightly by the command. Also, an officer who cannot control the behavior of his family is not fit to be an officer.

Maybe things have changed since I was a boy, but I hope not.

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Post by jmyeet »

eurleif wrote: post #104

The linked Google policy states: >We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

According to the ACLU [1]:

> This document explains two key ways that recipients can resist immigration administrative subpoenas: First, any gag order in these subpoenas has no legal effect; you are free to publicize them and inform the target of the subpoena. Second, you do not have to comply with the subpoena at all, unless ICE goes to court—where you can raise a number of possible objections—and the court orders compliance.

[1]: https://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/app/uploads/drupal/sites...

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Post by Planktonne »

mothballed wrote: post #184
rootusrootus wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which immigration laws are they enforcing in this case? And are you also going to suggest that the Constitution does not protect foreign nationals inside the US?

The Constitution uses the following in regard to protest in the first amendment Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It uses this same "right of the people" in the second amendment ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. In both cases, the right is restricted to "the pe…

If you have to work your way round to "they are not people" for the law to be consistent, consider that it might be a bad law.

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Post by anonymousiam »

paulddraper wrote: post #92

The author not say whether the subpoena prevented advance notification. The Google policy he linked to says: > We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. We’ll provide notice after a legal prohibition is lifted.

This EFF article does not announce any legal action they are taking as a result of Google complying with the government's request. I'm not really sure what the purpose of the article is. If you object to the NSL non-disclosure requirements, sue the US Government. Google is probably blameless here.
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