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Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Putin is a Russian moderate. Anyone who pays attention to Russian politics prays for his good health and long life.

Difficult to imagine a less moderate policy than starting a war which gets hundreds of thousands of Russians killed. Starting a nuclear war?

Except for the fact that the US started this war with the 2014 coup and the progressive arming of Ukraine.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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> I don't like what they do to artists Not sure if you're aware, but it's the labels, not Spotify: > It pays roughly two-thirds of every dollar it generates from music, with nearly 80% allocated to recording royalties and about 20% to publishing, though how much artists and songwriters ultimately receive depends on their agreements with rights holders, which Spotify does not control. [0] Spotify is frantically trying…

> Not sure if you're aware, but it's the labels, not Spotify: *not only Spotify They had plenty of problems from people abusing their system to steal listens from actual artists. Their system is basically "one big bucket of listens" - if your song gets listens, you get money. So if you pay your sub, and listen to say 5 niche musicians only, it still all goes mostly to the most popular songs. Now you might already not…

> Their system is basically "one big bucket of listens" - if your song gets listens, you get money. So if you pay your sub, and listen to say 5 niche musicians only, it still all goes mostly to the most popular songs.

That's basically how radio is accounted for in royalties, as well.

With Spotify knowing exactly who listened to what, it could be more precise (and arguably more susceptible to the fraud), but tbh what they do is standard (compulsory licensing) industry practice.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Like, all together? I'd agree that copyright terms are often much too long, but if you write a book, I'm totally okay with you owning the rights to that and making money off of it for a while.

We need to split "a creation" and "a set of ideas used in creation"

You created entire book ? Sell it for 40 years, sure But that should not apply to someone taking a tiny thing from it and making their own stuff around it, 10 years maybe.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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So, let us assume AA could or would pay Spotify for "profits lost". Now that we know AA's abduction of files were the files that actually received playtime, we would immediately see a lot of music artists embursed, yes? Well... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Watch the Spotify DOCU.

Interesting point. What does the law say about it? With all these damages awarded here, who exactly has been damaged?

Companies Spotify rent music from

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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They will never see a single cent from that, AA will continue to rotate domains and nothing was accomplished, except for spotify's legal team which earned easy money arguing against empty chair in court. BTW, you can donate and get faster downloads: https://annas-archive.gl/donate Just donated in honor of this. Up yours spotify!

Maybe it's not about the money primarily. There are enough parties out there that want the people behind Anna's archive behind bars and I'm afraid this will end the same way as for the Pirate Bay guys in the best case and like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst.

Fwiw, piratebay continues to be the -to my knowledge- biggest public tracker out there, with basically every media production available.

And I think that was his point. They may ruin some people's life's... but aside from that, they achieve nothing.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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I’d love to see a streaming service where my payment goes to artists I listen to. Spotify pays 70% of their music revenue to publishers based on the total number of listens. All revenue is put together and split based on the global numbers. Which means that niche band I like will get next to nothing. Instead if they account for 50% of my listening time in one month, they should get 35% of what I paid to Spotify that…

To play the devil's advocate, if we do this, your favorite artist will get paid less if you listen to others using Spotify radio shuffle feature vs if you stay on the artist page and only listen to that one artist? The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Well, if I listen to a shuffle radio then the artists I listen to will get paid, right? Which I’m fine with, it’s not that I want to support one specific artist (I can buy their album or merch if that’s my goal), I just want the money I pay to go to artists I listen to, not to the people from top charts that I don’t care about

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> I don't like what they do to artists Not sure if you're aware, but it's the labels, not Spotify: > It pays roughly two-thirds of every dollar it generates from music, with nearly 80% allocated to recording royalties and about 20% to publishing, though how much artists and songwriters ultimately receive depends on their agreements with rights holders, which Spotify does not control. [0] Spotify is frantically trying…

Spotify paid out ten billion dollars to artists in 2024. This is not small potatoes - total 2024 music industry merchandise sales was around $14b. These big platform payouts matter a lot.

Whenever an actual artist reveals their earnings, it’s absolutely pitiful.

A quick search suggests a very steep drop off from the top earners.

‘At 100 million streams, artists can earn approximately $300,000-$500,000 in gross royalties. However, the actual amount reaching the artist varies dramatically based on their contracts. Major label artists receive $90,000-$150,000 after the label’s cut, while independent artists could keep $255,000-$425,000 after distributor fees.’ https://rebelmusicz.com/how-much-do-artists-make-on-spotify/

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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> piracy brings artists absolutely nothing at all. This has historically been unclear. Lots of artists make more money from touring and merchandise than from record sales, and piracy is likely to boost those.

> Lots of artists make more money from touring and merchandise than from record sales, and piracy is likely to boost those. Reminder of the recent "The truth that haunts the Ramones: 'They sold more T-shirts than records'": * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47473673

In a similar vein, the recent thread on bootleg recordings - with both the article and the comments suggesting a more complicated relationship between piracy and band warnings.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47765604

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Please don't equivocate “the concept of piracy” as if copyright infringement has any relation to kidnapping and murder.

I think you're missing the point. Piracy, "digital" or real, has always been something that extended beyond borders. They are alleging this is probably due to governments doing said equivocation, in digital piracy case's, although I think it has more to do with the international treaties.

No, I'm certain that you are: “piracy” doesn't exist as a coherent umbrella term that contains both naval piracy and copyright infringement, and the latter has certainly not “always” been enforced beyond borders.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Spotify was also forced to remove 60 or so endpoints from their API: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/referenc... ...and add a bunch of other restrictions like limiting API access to premium users, ludicrously increasing the cap for acceptance into the extended quota programme (250k MAU), and so on and so on. So the most fucked in this situation are neither Spotify nor Anna's Archive, but anyone tr…

That's what happens when people abuse a public good.
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