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Post by volkl48 »

PokemonNoGo wrote: post #201
leviathant wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NIN had a messy breakup with their original manager about 15 years into things. Once Trent Reznor emerged as more or less a free agent, he embraced radical approaches to distributing music and other media. The instrumental album "Ghosts I-IV" was released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the music went everywhere - and you can draw a line directly from that choice to the Oscar for the score for The Soci…

I thought he uploaded to Oink as the rumor went. Maybe there's rumors about both :D

I only know The Pirate Bay history part well.

In 2006 there was a message posted by him in the forums that was: "This one is a guilt-free download. (shhhh - I didn’t say that out loud). If you know what I’m talking about, cool."

At the same time a user on TPB named "seed0" uploaded:

- A previously unreleased, professionally produced, expanded DVD version of Closure

- The full Broken movie in DVD quality (which had never leaked - the low-quality leaked versions that had circulated for yeas were missing part of it)

- 3 "The Definitive NIN" collections - which included some things that were difficult to find otherwise. (And today there are official playlists/collections by the same "Definitive NIN" name on the streaming platforms).

Maybe more but those are the most notable things I recall until all the pro-shot concert footage from the Lights in the Sky Tour got released to the fans to play with a few years later - most prominently turned into the "Another Version of the Truth - The Gift".

Not that there was any doubt, and while I don't feel like digging through all the interviews/AMAs I am almost certain that Rob Sheridan (creative director at the time) confirmed years later that the "leaks" were directly from the NIN camp.

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Post by DoingSomeThings »

volkl48 wrote: post #104
999900000999 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn’t need the managers, but the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. I would really like music copyright to change within my lifeti…

> However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (…

Dave Matthews Band similarly cultivates the fan recordings.

https://antsmarching.org/ forum has hundreds, maybe thousands of show recordings. Often multiple for each night. They make their own official Soundboard releases that fans still purchase, but their stewardship of fan audio capture is commendable.

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Post by lb1lf »

rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Haha, I can relate. Dabbled both with live recording (using a Sony PCM-M1 and a pair of very unobtrusive capsule mikes if the venue and band didn't have an enlightened recording policy, a DA-P1 and a pair of 416s if they did) and photograpy (mostly a Nikon F3 and a 105mm f/2.5).

I got VERY good at quickly rewinding a film roll and slipping it in the hands of a nearby friend in case security spotted me and wanted to nick my film. Always had a handful of empty film rolls to give up (seemingly reluctantly)

Worst scare I had was when taping Ray Charles at a jazz festival in Norway c.2000, methinks. Well into the show, he exclaims that some ass is taping his show, and he's not too happy about it. Starts explaining he's not going to play on until he's got that tape in his hands!

I glance around, rather nervously, but noone is heading for me - so I just keep recording, hoping that someone else is on the hook. Lo and behold, moments later a stage hand comes on stage with what appeared to be a broadcast video tape, giving it to a triumphant Ray Charles who sits down and starts playing again. Phew!

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Post by standardly »

pimlottc wrote: post #127
standardly wrote: post #112

Some great commentary in here. I agree all games have loops, so the authors stance against them comes off as a bit confusing. I think what the author is getting at is when loops are obviosuly "felt" and feel canned. Strategy games typically have obvious, tight loops. Turn-based games are loop-driven by definition. And so on. This is fine. But single player games, single player RPGs, etc, can suffer if the loop is rea…

You probably meant to reply to a different post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47764164

No clue how that happened. Epic fail. Not even pasting my comment there, just going to let it die.

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Post by adamsilkey »

101008 wrote: post #62
lokar wrote: post #18

Tangent idea: musicians should record every live show, and then put it on a streaming service, only for people who bought tickets to the show (possibly for an extra small fee on the ticket). Extra revenue for the artist, and a cool benefit for the fan (the liver performance you attended).

I love going to concerts and I tried pitching this to producers, bands, etc. They just don't care unfortunately. My mindset was: They already did most of the work, just exporting the audio (that already exists!) would give them extra income. Could be a subscription service, or pay per album, or even for free (it's a marketing channel). Some bands don't want their live recording out there (multiple reasons: from error…

I think it's a little more nuanced than "bands/producers don't care" and a bit more complex than "exporting the audio (that already exists!)".

Directly exporting the audio straight from the mixer would not necessarily produce quality recordings because the audio there is tuned for the purposes of sound reinforcement. To properly record a live concert requires an entirely separate setup with their own microphones and then some direct output from the mixer on a per channel basis to allow for post-production editing.

And a lot of people don't care about that! Lots of people are happy with the quality you'd get straight from a cell phone microphone.

But the people on stage and the people in the industry ... they're the ones actually involved in producing the sound, and many care very deeply about the quality that gets recorded and then shared. That's not to say that all musicians are like that, but many are!

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Post by dhosek »

zimpenfish wrote: post #88
dhosek wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nihil sub sola novum est. This has been done. Peter Gabriel, for example, did this on one of his tours (I think Back to Front, but I’m too lazy to dig it up). The California Guitar Trio also experimented with it. I’m guessing the fact that it’s not a widespread practice is that the return on investment (and we’re talking strictly the additional costs beyond simply recording the show) didn’t justify the effort.

> This has been done. Yeah, I've been to low double-figure gigs[0] where they were selling soundboard CDs shortly after the gig. If I'm not mistaken, a bunch of them were being done by the same company (but an internet search is unproductive.) [0] In London, I want to say late 2000s, early 2010s?

I just stumbled across the fact that apparently Bruce Springsteen has an active subscription service allowing people to listen to recordings of his live shows. A bit on the pricey side, imho, but it does at least exist.

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

tim333 wrote: post #208
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've only heard it in a gambling context which is why I was confused. I was briefly on a UK gambling platform and they referred to themselves as punters.

The term is used for gambling customers. As opposed to bookies who are professionals who take the bets.

Right. We say bookies in the US too but not punters.

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Post by rigonkulous »

tyrust wrote: post #75
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording?

I needed to get back to work, sorry about that. ;)

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXBEsPy1SSo

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