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Apple has removed most of the towns and villages in Lebanon from Apple maps?
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hezbollah attacks invading tanks and soldiers. israel drops bombs on children, women, elderly, mostly civilians. one is a justified defense, another is a war crime and ethnic cleansing
Hezbollah attacks nursing homes and football games. How is that justified?
nah, israel has been terrorizing all its neighbours non-stop since the creation of the colony, and even before its creation, the IDF's predecessor organizations have been recognized as the terrorist organizations (irgun lehi haganah) due to high profile terrorism (King david's hotel etc).
They actually imported the concept of terrorism from Europe into the middle east, which was pretty peaceful before
A lot of israeli prime ministers were members of these terrorist organizations and were engaged in massive ethnic cleansing (ben gurion, begin, shamir, sharon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_terrorism
only a historically illiterate or extremely biased person would try whitewash what israel is doing right now in Lebanon
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, compare: Hezbollah attacks against Israel since Israel started a war against Iran: 2 dead civilians Israel attacks against Lebanon: 2000 dead civilians Similar ratio of children killed in Gaza where it's 1:500. There's nothing comparable about what one side does to the other in this conflict.
So you’re paying attention to the last few weeks instead of the last several decades.
if you want to see what was happening over last several decades here is the list:
Re: Apple has removed most of the towns and villages in Lebanon from Apple maps?
#215Multiple commenters here are asking if the towns and villages were ever included in Apple maps in the first place, and some people are saying we should obviously assume they were. However, a quick search reveals at least a few people claiming that Apple Maps has always been empty for Lebanon outside of major cities (and at least one commenter says they are Lebanese): https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1sjmrol/co…
Why do we need to bother with facts when we can do rage bait conspiracy theories instead?
This thread is bizzare, full of commenters who pretend not to understand why the OP post doesn't prove anything. It's not the first pro-Lebanon anti-Israel post either in the last few days.
Re: Apple has removed most of the towns and villages in Lebanon from Apple maps?
#216Currently 50 points and is just a link to Apple Maps with an unverified claim. EDIT: I'm at -2 for stating a fact.
You can verify it by clicking on the link and looking at it.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Removed means they were there before which means comparison to other maps means nothing. It's possible Apple never had them in the first place. It's completely unverifiable with the link or your links.
OSM is a foundational data layer for GIS. If you're building a mapping service, you're almost certainly using OSM augmented by satellite imagery and other sources to find population zones that OSM has not found yet. If you look at the Apple Maps satellite layer, you see thousands of structures spread across the area. It is a reasonable assumption that these population centers were labeled and Apple (or one of its dat…
> If you look at the Apple Maps satellite layer, you see thousands of structures spread across the area.
and if stop fixating on South Lebanon and go to other places where israel is not invading and destroying villages, let's say Syria, you'll notice the exact same issue: https://imgur.com/8p1ANAZ
so your argument actually go against what you attempt to demonstrate.
now why is apple bad at maps in this area and possibly other areas elsewhere in the world is a different matter.
Re: Apple has removed most of the towns and villages in Lebanon from Apple maps?
#218Currently 50 points and is just a link to Apple Maps with an unverified claim. EDIT: I'm at -2 for stating a fact.
Why do you say unverified? You can activate the hybrid satellite view and look around. There are many towns and cities showing up on satellite view without any label. That's easily verifiable.
and you can easily verify that this issue is not only in South Lebanon as it is also the case in Syria: https://imgur.com/8p1ANAZ and everywhere in Lebanon
so the verification process you suggest actually disproves the claim.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Interesting you assumed violent destruction! I don’t suppose you’re Israeli? Also curious that Israel hasn’t yet “won” even when not being attacked. I’m talking about a (relatively) peaceful process with reparations, right of return, and international policing. Destroying Israel through violence doesn’t move us forward.
And how do you suggest this concept is marketed to Israelis? I mean, it doesn’t sound too appealing: giving their flourishing country away to Islamist elements and turning into Jewish a minority in what is essentially a large Gaza strip.
It will need to happen by force.
You could argue for sanctions but with the fracturing of the Western world that’s not likely to happen, and the west is very heavily invested in Israel already (Apple has more R&D in Israel than in the entire EU; Nvidia does all of their networking stuff in Israel and now plans a 12k engineer campus; Microsoft, Intel, Google…). The west buys tons of Israeli weapons and if you live in the EU then congratulations, your sky is now protected by Israeli Arrow-3 systems that Germany bought for 5bn Euro.
And then there’s the Israeli nuclear deterrence and strong self reliance. Sanction it for something and it will likely make its own or get it from a different actor, this is what happens in the first 30 years of its existence (US would not sell it arms back then).
Add to that the Jewish communities in Western countries which would block any kind of sanctions.
All you’re left with for “dismantling” Israel are Islamist actors operating military. Iran, Turkey, the likes, which brings us back to the endless loop I’ve mentioned before.
How about, then, a different alternative where Israel is recognized as a done deal, just like the US is? In both cases someone suffered from their creation but no one is calling to dismantle the US and no one is giving Indians their home.
That won’t happen though because the Palestinians are weaponized against Israel by Islamists, and the conflict with Israel is just too convenient for countries like Egypt and Turkey to keep the inflamed rhetoric and to have someone to blame for all of their woes.
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#220it is good that hacker news is the place where I saw the most people using their brains and noticing that there is no proof of removal in this claim as there is no before image showing they were there in the first place.
but it is concerning that there is still a lot of people who totally miss this obvious flaw in the claim.
it takes a couple minutes to test the claim and notice that the issue in affecting all Lebanon and not only the Southern region where israel is invading and leveling entire villages to the ground as they did in Gaza.
zooming in around the Lebanon border you notice instantly that a lot of information is missing as the background become white: https://i.imgur.com/L2p1j15.png
and following this clue, you soon notice that the same issue of missing labels is also happening in Syria: https://i.imgur.com/8p1ANAZ.png
there is no evidence supporting the claim and evidence actually tends to disprove it.