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Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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If I'd get a dollar for every annoying bug that Apple misses due to being hopelessly Bay Area brained, I'd probably get at least a free official Apple cleaning cloth every couple of years.

This isn't just "annoying", but a "must fix showstopper" critical bug.

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I assume you can use a physical keyboard on an iPhone like I can on Android via USB? Presumably you could buy a wired Czech keyboard to access the device? Twice I have had the touchscreen fail on Android devices and been able to get what I needed off them using a USB mouse.

You can, after you unlock it.

I was guessing this - need to unlock to use USB devices.

sigh.

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That’s all true, but it is also true that iPhone theft is relatively rare. My assertion is that there would be way, way more theft if you could just downgrade and wipe.

Is it? Do you have any data to back this up? Because a quick search for UK statistic shows that even though iPhones are minority of phones over here they are the overwhelmingly majority of all phone theft: https://www.loveitcoverit.com/news/changing-world/mobile-pho... "In terms of smartphone models, the data also indicates who might be most at risk. Looking at the entirety of the UK, 68.6% of stolen phones are iPhon…

Your own source says:

“In 2012, the National Crime Survey – which supplies data to the ONS – reported that there were roughly 608,000 theft from a person incidents across England and Wales, which was a high for the decade. However, since then, theft from person cases – including those including smartphones – have fallen year on year. A key factor for this continual decline could be that smartphone security has improved to a point that it’s no longer worth stealing them; with Face ID, trackers, and fingerprint scanners, it’s now harder for criminals to wipe and fence stolen property. It’s also possible that, due to the ubiquity of smartphones, the desire to steal them has simply decreased.”

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He can upgrade, but not downgrade, for security integrity.

Doesn't this mean that no matter how securely your phone is locked, Apple (and probably the three-letter agencies) can always unlock it by installing an appropriate update?

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Is it? Do you have any data to back this up? Because a quick search for UK statistic shows that even though iPhones are minority of phones over here they are the overwhelmingly majority of all phone theft: https://www.loveitcoverit.com/news/changing-world/mobile-pho... "In terms of smartphone models, the data also indicates who might be most at risk. Looking at the entirety of the UK, 68.6% of stolen phones are iPhon…

Your own source says: “In 2012, the National Crime Survey – which supplies data to the ONS – reported that there were roughly 608,000 theft from a person incidents across England and Wales, which was a high for the decade. However, since then, theft from person cases – including those including smartphones – have fallen year on year. A key factor for this continual decline could be that smartphone security has improv…

Sorry, I mean for this part of your post " but it is also true that iPhone theft is relatively rare.".

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We run into this issue when watching Korean movies/dramas. My wife prefers Japanese subtitles and I prefer English/German. I haven’t found a way to enable two subtitles in Firefox (via extensions). So in those cases I usually download a release which contains subtitles in both languages and use a script to extract them via ffmpeg and then combine them into a single srt. Now the issue is that the lines of the differen…

mplayer supports displaying multiple subtitles

IINA too.

I'm so over VLC.

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Your own source says: “In 2012, the National Crime Survey – which supplies data to the ONS – reported that there were roughly 608,000 theft from a person incidents across England and Wales, which was a high for the decade. However, since then, theft from person cases – including those including smartphones – have fallen year on year. A key factor for this continual decline could be that smartphone security has improv…

Sorry, I mean for this part of your post " but it is also true that iPhone theft is relatively rare.".

I would say that phone theft is relatively rare. I didn’t mean to single out iPhone really - AFAIK the major manufacturers of Android phones provide similar protection, and if feel the same about them removing it.

To me the surprising claim would be that phone theft is common - I don’t think I know of anyone who’s had their phone stolen - but if you want stats, sticking with the UK, here’s the official statistics on robbery and ‘theft from a person’: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...

It’s more work than I have time for now, but I don’t think that any of the headline figures can be regarded as ‘common’.

More emotionally: Maybe it’s just my age showing, but it is notable to me that nowadays we’re all carrying around $1000 items at all times, and muggings aren’t through the roof. Perhaps society is kinder than I gave it credit for, but I think that the lack of utility of those $1000 items if you steal them (so, they’re not really worth $1000 to a mugger) is a major part of the reason they’re not.

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You say locking oneself out, but I decline to consider any situation where a password can be set but not later entered as one where the user bears even a modicum of fault.

We're so far down this path the language around the problem is distorted. Ownership has been perverted and the only thing you control is the bill.

Do we even control the bill? You could buy a annual-sub-paid-monthly, be unable to cancel it because you're locked out of your account, and then get taken to collections when you terminate it on the payment side.

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Do you know what the cost of breaking into a fully up to date BFU iPhone is?

They're not breaking in; he knows the password. Also, it's not fully up-to-date; it's an iPhone 13.

These help but I do not expect them to make the option affordable

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> Unicode was introduced to solve that very problem, and it largely does. What? Unicode doesn't address the problem at all. Your emoji password will look completely different depending on the encoding you use. We have multiple popular encodings right now... but instead of software that lets us specify which encoding we want to use to interpret a document, we have software that intentionally prohibits us from doing th…

Unicode is the code points. Of course you have to normalize on one encoding for password hashing (and UTF-8 is the canonical choice for that, because interfaces to hash implementations are byte-based), but that’s not an issue of end-user input. The goal of Unicode was to be able to roundtrip the existing encodings through it, and it achieved that goal. > That would have had no effect other than momentary user confusi…

"Code points" isn't enough. Characters like ö can be represented in de-composed (¨+o) or composed (ö) form. Even Hangul supports decomposition.

Unicode defines rules you can implement to normalize these, but they change between Unicode versions and you can end up with a password that works in one Unicode version and not another.

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