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ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by sonofhans »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #197
Throaway199999 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

llm made this post?

Because of the em-dash? Unfortunately, some writing hipsters created this "uh actually we were writing emdashes first, it's dramatic increase of use since llm proliferation in the 2020s shouldn't mean we can't use it!" movement. This has lead to purposeful use of emdashes to bait people to call them lllms. You can tell because the spaces around it most likely is because they had to copy and paste it from somewhere el…

Wow, that’s some pretty farfetched speculation. I’ve been using double-dash as punctuation since I started writing on a computer in the 1980s. I like that MacOS connects them for me.

Consider for a moment how different your assumptions are from reality. Can you learn from that?

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Post by 000ooo000 »

bluegatty wrote: post #128
sassymuffinz wrote: post #39

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I tried Claude Code for a week straight recently to see what all the hype was about and while it pumped out a bunch of reasonable looking code and features I ended up feeling completely disconnected from my codebase and uncomfortable. Cancelled the plan I had with them and happily went back to just coding like normal in VSCode with occasional dips into Copilot when a need arose or for rubber ducking and planning. Fee…

I don't like calling a posture 'ignorant' , but I think that's what we have here. I don't mean that as an insult. It's likely you didn't learn how to use the tool properly, and I'd suggest 'trying again' because not using AI soon will be tantamount to digging holes with shovels instead of using construction equipment. Yes, we still need our 'core skill's but, we're not going to be able to live without the leverage of…

>It's likely you didn't learn how to use the tool properly

Yeah this gets rolled out every time. Boosters love to pitch LLM dev as some difficult, new 'skill' that must be learned, mastered, revered.

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Post by zamadatix »

satvikpendem wrote: post #103
zamadatix wrote: post #89

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But these are, again, additional tiers. You can't just say because they've added more things the old things are over - the old things actually have to go away first. Eventually they may get there (or not). It may be another few years (or not). Nothing is actually now over though any more than it was now over in 2024.

Additional tiers to get people to move up as they enshittify the lower tiers. We already see it in other companies as well as OpenAI themselves so my inference is based on that, not to wait and see until they do indeed enshittify it.

That the inference would say these existing paid tiers should have already enshittified with the 2024 $200 Pro announcement is precisely why one does need to wait & see.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by 000ooo000 »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #95

It really feels like LLMs will mostly become tools for tech workers rather than the kind of civilization-level transformation sama has been peddling. Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.

Wouldn't put too much weight on HN comments boosting AI. Lots of brand new accounts, obvious LLM drivel ("it's not X, it's Y"). I just tried to reply to one to call out how overt it was and the comment was already killed, so they're definitely here.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by swdf »

eudamoniac wrote: post #193
bitwize wrote: post #178

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No one is paying a liveable wage for purely human-authored code anymore. This is the job now, and you are far more effective with these tools than without. If you still have an issue with their output, that's a PEBKAC and you need to upskill and/or attitude adjust. Stop thinking like a programmer and start thinking like a business person. Delegate! It doesn't matter if the machine wrote code just the way you would ha…

This sort of angry post, with many demands "attitude adjust" "delegate" and invectives "close-minded" "lazy" never appeared for any other technology shift. React devs never posted like this about jQuery devs. Mobile app devs never posted like this about mobile web devs. Yet tons of AI users post like this about non-AI-using devs. Is it some kind of fear or doubt? It's a strange phenomenon. Like for example I strongly…

Indeed it is quite bizarre. Why are they so emotionally charged? I dont quite get it. Frankly if they are so confident in what they say, why not just watch from the side lines and laugh at the people who get bulldozed?

Me thinks something far more bizarro is aloof.

Im not even a SWE btw so I have no financial interest here, but I can see how bizarre his post is.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by swdf »

bitwize wrote: post #178
sassymuffinz wrote: post #145

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Like I said I still use Copilot as needed, I just don't trust Claude to go off on its own and generate a mountain of technical debt that I can't 100% trust. To use your own analogy, there's plenty of carpenters still around for when someone needs something doing properly and bespoke, even though we can all go to Ikea, or any other flat pack furniture company, to get wobbly furniture cheaply at any time. I'd rather be…

No one is paying a liveable wage for purely human-authored code anymore. This is the job now, and you are far more effective with these tools than without. If you still have an issue with their output, that's a PEBKAC and you need to upskill and/or attitude adjust. Stop thinking like a programmer and start thinking like a business person. Delegate! It doesn't matter if the machine wrote code just the way you would ha…

"Stop thinking like a programmer and start thinking like a business person."

Lmao software engineers are engineers because its not their job to be the business guy. Man you have been here since 2007 but you sound like an absolute bozo.

FYI I am a CEO and I would never expect my engineers to be thinking like a business person - thats my job. Their job is to go make my vision a reality whilst ensuring the product is trusted and so on.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by swdf »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #95

It really feels like LLMs will mostly become tools for tech workers rather than the kind of civilization-level transformation sama has been peddling. Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.

Thats exactly what they will be and they will not earn excess returns. So the valuations of OAI and Anthropic are bizarro.

And I dont see open source development stopping either.

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Post by swdf »

wolttam wrote: post #179
bossyTeacher wrote: post #112

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> I wouldn't mistake this for any kind of capability plateau. There is a massive push towards making transformers the engine of humanoid (and other kinds of) robotics, we just haven't reached the hype moment for those yet. Problem is that the fuel to get this train going relies on investors money. Investors aren't going to be happy with the quote I took from your message. And that's the real bet really, can the indus…

Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics. And plenty of very wealthy folks see the writing on the wall wrt robotics.

"Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics"

Lol google holds and invests its shareholders cash on their behalf. Using that money comes with a cost - they demand a rate of return.

Swear most of you need to take a corporate finance 101 class.

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Post by MattGaiser »

pdntspa wrote: post #140
sonofhans wrote: post #136

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This is sarcastically-stated but an excellent point, and an honest answer will come up with a vanishingly small list. We geeks may think we care about Important Things, but our industry cares for nothing but money and power — morality is a hindrance to the accumulation of those.

Worse, they exploit our curiosity and open-mindedness to build their empires for them. Which we willingly do because cool shiny shit. Nerd-sniping as a weapon of oppression

A lot of it is simply that they are far more open to the idea of curiousity as having value than most people.
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