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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by rvba »

kleiba wrote: post #200

My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

I understand what you mean, however it's still quite hilarious that there is an user on checks notes hacker news, who does not have a phone.

This reminds me of the Japanese cybersecurity minister who did not use a computer.

Bonus points if you work at Apple, or Google and work on iOS or Android. Would explain a lot why they are the way they are.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by xvector »

HotGarbage wrote: post #23
xvector wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can, but why should we?

Why should we be beholden to the two mega-corporations who control the smartphone market?

You can certainly get a smartphone from another company and run AOSP.

But the problem isn't that this guy didn't want to use a smartphone, it's that he literally has never bothered to learn.

Why should society cater to those that literally don't care to learn the essentials?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by TheMagicHorsey »

This reminds me of a story my grandfather told me about how they needed to have a bunch of infrastructure and employees devoted to telegraph based notifications in 1970s India, because some bureaucrats refused to move everything over to telephone, and didn't want to be inconvenienced by having to use new technology.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by michaelt »

jjulius wrote: post #161
KumaBear wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generating badges has loopholes. (Trust me I’ve used them). And IDing every person can be a mission on itself. Pretty sure they will just start using biometrics in the next decade with or without your consent.

>Generating badges has loopholes. This seems to be an area where people will always find loopholes. Should this be a race-to-the-bottom in an attempt to make the most foolproof system possible, or do we at some point accept that maybe there's never going to be a perfect way to do this? >And IDing every person can be a mission on itself. I've worked the door at venues of various sizes, so it's not like I suggested thi…

For sure you can ID everyone. Nightclubs, music festivals and even airports do this sort of thing all the time.

You just need good organisation, plenty of security stations, and an atmosphere that rewards people who arrive early - checking a stadium's worth of IDs over the course of 2-3 hours rather than over the course of 20 minutes.

What you can't do is charge $20 for a glass of beer then expect people to arrive 2-3 hours before the game starts.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by xvector »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #32
xvector wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can, but why should we?

Because the future will be very dystopian if we place two tech companies as gatekeepers of everything in life. If Google locks your account and won't help you (which happens!), you don't want that to also take away your ability to bank, go to baseball games, etc.

If that is your threat model (it isn't for 99.999% of people), you can set up your own email domain for few bucks a year and it takes 20 minutes. Now no one can debank you and take away your ability to go to baseball games simply by killing your email.

But that's not the reason the guy in the video isn't using a smartphone. It's because he literally never bothered to learn or keep up.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by EvanAnderson »

throwawaypath wrote: post #209
kleiba wrote: post #200

My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

>Turns out you must have a smart phone Any phone that can receive SMS, not a smartphone. You could purchase a burner flip phone for this purpose.

I don't think the assumption that SMS is enough is valid anymore.

My wife's elderly aunt has a flip phone that can receive SMS but not MMS. We just went thru an "identity verification" procedure with a major bank last week that sends MMS, not SMS, and could not reach her flip phone.

The whole ordeal was a huge pain in the ass and if my wife and I weren't there to help her it would have been completely impenetrable to her.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by stetrain »

kleiba wrote: post #200

My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

2-factor authentication codes via SMS are pretty common and don't require a smart phone. You haven't run into this before?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

michaelt wrote: post #199
tomwheeler wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If this guy has the money for a season pass (!) he has the money for a smartphone. Maybe it's not about the money. Maybe he does not want the negative consequences that come along with having a smartphone. Maybe he has dexterity issues that make using a smartphone difficult. Maybe he doesn't want to install their invasive app. Maybe he finds that paper tickets are easier to manage. Maybe he recognizes that the vend…

> Maybe it's not about the money. Maybe he does not want the negative consequences that come along with having a smartphone. In my country right now there's a lot of hand-wringing about the impact of social media and smartphones on teenagers' mental health and education. We've got schools banning phones, and the government wanting to introduce age checks for social media. Infinite doomscrolling in your pocket, endles…

No there isn’t a good reason for the nanny state and giving the government more power over your life

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by [deleted] »

rvba wrote: post #211
kleiba wrote: post #200

My wife and I had an appointment last week to apply for a line of credit. We talked it all through with the clerk and decided to go for it, so he started the whole process on his computer. His jaw dropped half-way through when he asked for my wife's and my phone number, and I had to tell him that I don't own a smart phone. Turns out you must have a smart phone because the system sends you some kind of code to verify…

I understand what you mean, however it's still quite hilarious that there is an user on checks notes hacker news, who does not have a phone. This reminds me of the Japanese cybersecurity minister who did not use a computer. Bonus points if you work at Apple, or Google and work on iOS or Android. Would explain a lot why they are the way they are.

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by nunez »

...and I took this one personally.

I was in LA for the week recently and went to see a Dodgers/Angels exhibition game at Dodger Stadium. $27 for the nosebleeds at the best stadium to sit high up at; easiest $27 ever spent!

Except it wasn't that easy. Though the tickets were purchased through mlb.com, I ran into trouble logging in once I got to the stadium. Couldn't for the life of me get a verification code. Doing the walk of shame to concessions crossed my mind, but this wouldn't have helped none since there was already a couple at the window who were getting help from the person working the booth...on how to get the tickets through the app.

Fortunately I got the verification code and was able to get my tickets shortly thereafter.

Queue my frustration when I ran into the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING when I went to see a show in Chicago some time later. Only way to enter was by downloading some ridiculous-ass app to get my tickets. Couldn't even get them by email. Couldn't even get them by website!

I wasn't expecting to yell at clouds this close to my 40s, but I really guess it do be like that.

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