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Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Gud »

villedespommes wrote: post #181
simgt wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people voted for that "one individual causing chaos" again? 70 million? He's also backed by billionaires and an administration that seems to be just as unhinged. It's not one person causing chaos, it's a whole country with its violent culture. The scale changed slightly, but it's also nothing new.

This. There are really two explanations here. Either the US hasn't been a democracy in the first place. Or the majority of the US voters prefer autocratic amoral psychopaths running their country.

The US is only nominally democratic. You get politicians bought and paid for. Perhaps there are counter examples, but not many.

Only democracy in the western world where there is so much money involved in the elections, is the USA.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by petre »

alephnerd wrote: post #64
tarkin2 wrote: post #60

Israel recently refused to buy more French military equipment, and France's relations with Israel is at a low; I'm wondering it was the reason the French vessel was allowed through.

France hasn't bought Israeli weapons systems and vice versa for years, so it's just a quick populist win with 0 practical implications either way. That said, French and Israeli vendors like Thales, IAI, Dassault, Rafael, Elbit, etc still collaborate closely becuase they are both OEMs, vendors, and JV partners in Indian defense deals that integrate both into Indian weapons systems - especially as both are integrated (…

> Most countries that historically had a Soviet/Russian kit are now mandating French+Israeli interoperability becuase of India's success at using it to replace older Soviet or Russian systems where possible.

Elbit also has previous experience retrofitting Soviet MiG-21s to operate with NATO munitions.

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Post by jjtwixman »

ted_bunny wrote: post #45
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #36

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Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. The US saw what Trump did during his first term, and four years later, after relative calm, they were like "nah, let's go back to Trump." That's the new normal. In fact, things will be worse during the next election, with even more of the media owned by unhinged billionaires intent on robbing as much as possible from normal people.

I don't think the electorate ran back into Trump's arms. Kamala was an egregiously poor candidate. He didn't win, she lost.

But Trump was even more egregiously poor. That’s what Americans don’t seem to understand. They’ve revealed to the whole world that they are a retarded people.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by petre »

vrganj wrote: post #8
zzzeek wrote: post #3

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.

No matter who controls the US in the future, it will never go back to the position it once had globally. It's been actively harming it's allies, threatening them with invasion and conspiring with their enemies. The rest of the world cannot afford to give the American people the benefit of the doubt. After Trump I, there was hope it was just a fluke. Trump II is much worse and cements the unreliability of the American…

If Xi put a break on China's growth, Trump surely did throw US influence and soft power straight into the bin. The only winner is China.

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Post by shrubby »

cyberge99 wrote: post #138
shrubby wrote: post #130

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Honest? Trump is the most dishonest president in history. He literally says two diametrically opposite things: - we don’t need any oil - open up the strait or else severe consequences Which is it? Only fools think his opacity is a feature not a terrible bug.

Honest in the moral corruption and the endgame of the current political system, which is the power from the many to the few to the one ultimate authoritarian messiah.

But yeah, lots of lies that emphasize the honesty of the endgame.

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Post by robocat »

Gud wrote: post #211
villedespommes wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. There are really two explanations here. Either the US hasn't been a democracy in the first place. Or the majority of the US voters prefer autocratic amoral psychopaths running their country.

The US is only nominally democratic. You get politicians bought and paid for. Perhaps there are counter examples, but not many. Only democracy in the western world where there is so much money involved in the elections, is the USA.

The influence of money is a weakness of any democracy. Maybe look at other democratic countries. Definitely seen it here in New Zealand.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by watwut »

qwerpy wrote: post #189
watwut wrote: post #139

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So, you did not voted for centrists and chosen to vote for nazi salute throwing radicals ... because there are non meek leftists groups. The only way to win against Trump voters like you is to ignore them, because people like you will choose nazi until nazi are the only game in town.

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I said "win against Trump". That you identify so much with Trump that you twisted it into "against me" is telling.

That you dont care about overall damage because "I am rich so others suffer" just confirms what I already think about Trump voters.

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Post by WickyNilliams »

pas wrote: post #192
villedespommes wrote: post #181

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This. There are really two explanations here. Either the US hasn't been a democracy in the first place. Or the majority of the US voters prefer autocratic amoral psychopaths running their country.

Brits also voted to leave the EU where they had the absurdly privileged position of picking (almost freely) which rules applies to them, while benefiting from others applying them fully. ... Democracy is only as good as the people doing the voting, who are about as good (as the rules they don't protest againsts) and the content they consume, which is about as good as certain groups make it to be.

B-b-but the bananas, and the bureaucrats!!

What's particularly amazing about Brexit is that many of its chief architects have not been shamed or exiled from society for spinning a yarn that fell apart when confronted with the smallest slither of reality. No, instead, the primary advocate may very well be our next prime minister.

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Post by rkomorn »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #218
pas wrote: post #192

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Brits also voted to leave the EU where they had the absurdly privileged position of picking (almost freely) which rules applies to them, while benefiting from others applying them fully. ... Democracy is only as good as the people doing the voting, who are about as good (as the rules they don't protest againsts) and the content they consume, which is about as good as certain groups make it to be.

B-b-but the bananas, and the bureaucrats!! What's particularly amazing about Brexit is that many of its chief architects have not been shamed or exiled from society for spinning a yarn that fell apart when confronted with the smallest slither of reality. No, instead, the primary advocate may very well be our next prime minister.

A slither of reality sounds snaky... and I ended up googling it and Google AI convincingly says both that it exists and also that it is confused with "sliver of reality", and its examples of "slither of reality" point to pages that use "sliver" instead.

What a time to be alive.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ted_bunny »

jjtwixman wrote: post #213
ted_bunny wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the electorate ran back into Trump's arms. Kamala was an egregiously poor candidate. He didn't win, she lost.

But Trump was even more egregiously poor. That’s what Americans don’t seem to understand. They’ve revealed to the whole world that they are a retarded people.

Well, revealed it even more.

All they had to do was put a little daylight between their platforms. Show that they believe in something different. But that is not their role in the Ratchet Effect.

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