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GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
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Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#212Microsoft, how cheap minded you have to be to understand that you don't need ads? You already had everything you need to grow without slapping ads everywhere.
You had everything great. Xbox, Windows, Office,... and somehow in a short span of time you managed to enshittify everything. Focus on you core strength. Ads is not one of them. And the combination Ads+Ai it is not either. Stop ruining great things. You had - still have - great potential to have a competitive advantage over others yet you fall for these shitty practices.
I believe, if you had the chance, you would put ads on the C# compiler too.
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are some good alternatives for closed source codebases that people have been using and enjoying? I only ask because I already know of good alternatives for FOSS, but it's the private / work projects that keep me tethered to GH for now.
If it's for work, why do you need GitHub at all? To me, GitHub only makes sense as a social media site for code. If you are publishing to GitHub with no intent to be open in your code, development process, and contributor roster, then I don't see the point of being on GitHub at all. Because it's not like their issue tracker is particularly good. It's not like their documentation support is particularly good. It's not…
Very true. We have a private git repository running on a server that serves as our master. Works fine for us. We backup to GitHub. But it isn't used in any way in the dev workflow
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
So when is society gonna start thinking of us in return? Where are our rewards? It's a rotten world out there. Everything is corrupt. Taking the moral high ground is an enormous sacrifice. In the best case scenario, society will just laugh at you for it. Chances are they will actually fight you since your moral stand will probably get in the way of their profitable schemes. I find it increasingly hard to blame people…
Ignoring the fact that your description is far from absolute (“society” isn’t a single thing; there are—and I’ve been in—smaller scale societies which do work together for the collective good) and that shrugging off the situation only makes it worse and never better, none of what you said contradicts my point. In fact, it only reinforces it; being a “ best mind” isn’t supposed to be easy. You may excuse it, but there…
Admiration and respect are great and a clean conscience lets you sleep well at night. It still doesn't help to make up for the profound demoralization you experience when you realize that unscrupulous people are making millions completely unpunished, nor does it help the people who get persecuted, bankrupted or even outright killed for trying to oppose the never ending corruption.
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#215I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ignoring the fact that your description is far from absolute (“society” isn’t a single thing; there are—and I’ve been in—smaller scale societies which do work together for the collective good) and that shrugging off the situation only makes it worse and never better, none of what you said contradicts my point. In fact, it only reinforces it; being a “ best mind” isn’t supposed to be easy. You may excuse it, but there…
Admiration and respect are great and a clean conscience lets you sleep well at night. It still doesn't help to make up for the profound demoralization you experience when you realize that unscrupulous people are making millions completely unpunished, nor does it help the people who get persecuted, bankrupted or even outright killed for trying to oppose the never ending corruption.
Again, none of that contradicts what I said. It frankly feels like you’re trying hard to justify to yourself why you do things you know deep down aren’t right. You do you, whatever helps you sleep at night and get through the day, I guess.
Maybe you get demoralised by the state of the world and feel like giving up. Others see the same thing you do and are pushed towards action. Sometimes they are able to improve the world, other times they aren’t and may even get killed in the process. But only those who try, do.
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are some good alternatives for closed source codebases that people have been using and enjoying? I only ask because I already know of good alternatives for FOSS, but it's the private / work projects that keep me tethered to GH for now.
GitLab is quite good, the organizational features and CI is also mostly on par with GitHub. You can use gitlab.com, SaaS or self-host.
But compared to GitHub it's much more complicated in terms of UX as it covers more enterprise use cases that GitHub doesn't.
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#218I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…
The worst part of Microsoft is whoever is running their marketing department, they just inject themselves into everything, like Windows. GitHub is different, they will 100% lose users and income if they don't learn to back the hell off of it though. Windows, well, everyone complains about Windows no matter what, so valid complaints are ignored.
With Office, well, your employer is paying for it, so you have no say in it anyway.
It's clearly the marketing dept at Microsoft swoops in and poisons all their software, who else would be doing this?
This is why I say, marketing driven development is garbage.
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#219The lack of market understanding by the person that thought this “feature” was a good idea is staggering. There was never a world where developers would think this is a good idea.
The fact that they chose to publish the ad _under someone else's name_ is so tone deaf that I just can't understand what they were thinking.
This. It's so far out there that I have to wonder if it's a rogue employee who thought this a good excuse to cause reputational damage without it being too obvious. Doesn't pass several razors though (not the simplest explanation; malice involved.. is that Hanlon's and Occam's razor?), so I don't truly believe it... but it would be possible
Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find it sad that while technological progress is seen almost as a given by virtually everyone, moral progress is often not even an aspiration
Our current incentives system is absolutely amoral, there's no financial/economic benefit for being moral, it's the opposite: being moral is penalised since you'd be disadvantaged competing with others who don't care about it. I completely agree with you, moral progress should be incentivised somehow...
This has typically been done with social processes. The community publicly condemns or celebrates things according to how they fit our morals.
The problem is, there is no public town square anymore where we can shame the people who are responsible. The billionaires/megacorps control the media through which they communicate to the public.
In other words, the immoral actors have captured the systems meant to socially control them, and are instead using them to temper the moral instincts of society.