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Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

wongarsu wrote: post #155
randallsquared wrote: post #142

The vibe around smart glasses is so weird: Governments and businesses can record in public, which is right and proper, but if an individual person records what they see, that's wrong and creepy.

The original assumption behind CCTV was that it's recorded but realistically never seen, or maybe seen by one person staring at a bunch of screens at once. That's what made it acceptable. Of course this has changed drastically, but CCTV basically got grandfathered in in most people's minds.

For $650, I just purchased a consumer-level CCTV (writes locally, on a loop) which can auto-detect all humans, vehicles, and pets — creating montages of visitors (for later review). This is entirely offline, eight camera, just over two weeks retention at 12MP (configurable to months with dual SATA slots and video setting changes).

What cloud recording is capable of determining... is absolutely limitless. I think this is what makes Flock so scary / "different."

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Post by miki123211 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #165
miki123211 wrote: post #89

We really need a disability exception for things like this. Meta Glasses are a hit in the blind community (for obvious reasons). Things will really come to a head when we finally get working face recognition tech. I wonder if this law could be challenged on ADA reasonable accommodation grounds.

No, we really need blind assistance devices that don't store data and process it locally. Those devices are already not banned.

Local models just aren't good enough for this. Not in a device that has to be energy-efficient, fit in a pocket and conserve its storage for other things the user may want to do with it.

Unless you have a homelab (which is just cloud under a different name), there's no way of doing a reasonable job here without sending your data to a third party.

In this case, preserving privacy and anti-discrimination are goals that you just can't reconcile.

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Post by barbazoo »

hardolaf wrote: post #207
barbazoo wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be quicker to detect disturbances using audio too rather than video only, think of ShotSpotter. Sounds made up though and probably either a way to spy or chill speech.

But ShotSpotter doesn't actually work (almost every alert is a false positive). So what value would this add?

No totally, I can't imagine it either, I was just trying to give it a charitable assumption.

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Post by jjk166 »

megabless123 wrote: post #126
paxys wrote: post #17

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It's already impossible to stop someone from recording if they are really determined. Pen cameras, button cameras and all sorts of miniature devices exist and can be snuck through very easily. You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage.

> You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage. but this is impossible to guarantee as well

It's turtles all the way down. If we had a way to perfectly prevent people from doing undesirable things, we wouldn't need courthouses to begin with. The system doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be good enough that reliably circumventing it isn't worth the effort.

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Post by finghin »

05 wrote: post #109
FinnKuhn wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cut the cable for the microphone?

There’s another problem with this because a camera with a mic cable cut would look from the outside exactly like a camera with mic cable intact, and maintenance is a thing, so eventually it’s bound to be replaced by a camera with a working mic either by mistake or “by mistake” on purpose. There’s a trust issue here since people who would be affected by the presence of a mic won’t be able to easily visually verify tha…

Drill through it!

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Post by onionisafruit »

corndoge wrote: post #180
onionisafruit wrote: post #168

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Or a compromise where defendants also have the same access to the camera feeds and pinky swear not to use the audio.

Still asymmetric as the police have the resources to comb the feeds and individuals do not

True, but irrelevant because nobody’s listening. All parties with access have pinky swears not to listen.

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Post by hansvm »

ghaff wrote: post #189
hansvm wrote: post #153

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If you perform nearly any work at all in a given week you're entitled to your salary, and they can't fire you. They might be able to take away the $15/day stipend from your pay, and there are obvious additional negatives (6 months with limited context and practice of your craft will reduce your performance when you get back too), but that 2-week cap is a lawsuit waiting to happen unless they also forbid you from doin…

As I say grand jury duty is often not every day, you can always take your PTO, and there are always nights and weekends. A company can always keep paying your base salary but, as you say, there could be longer term consequences. And the case upthread is obviously a retail manager being stupid but I also assume there is no obligation to pay hourly employees for hours they don’t work or for tips they didn’t collect.

> not every day

Yep

> can take your PTO

You can, but if salaried you usually shouldn't, ignoring any particularly malicious employers and social contracts around the outskirts of the law.

> No obligation to pay hourly employees, tips, etc

Yeah, if you're not salaried you're screwed. PTO might cover a few days, but if you have a month-long trial and need money for rent then my understanding of the law is that serving as a juror will make you homeless unless the courtroom is willing to extend some compassion for your hardship.

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Post by HWR_14 »

miki123211 wrote: post #212
HWR_14 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we really need blind assistance devices that don't store data and process it locally. Those devices are already not banned.

Local models just aren't good enough for this. Not in a device that has to be energy-efficient, fit in a pocket and conserve its storage for other things the user may want to do with it. Unless you have a homelab (which is just cloud under a different name), there's no way of doing a reasonable job here without sending your data to a third party. In this case, preserving privacy and anti-discrimination are goals that…

What use case can't be accomplished by a local model. They can read things out loud and identify what you're about to walk into.

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Post by theragra »

bryan0 wrote: post #6

Serious question: what will happen when people start getting implants? They’ll probably require some sort of off mode, but not sure how that would be enforced.

I don't remember the book, but some scifi novel had an idea where each visitor to some country needed software installed on their implant. This software allowed any one to be opted out of visitor to see their face and clothing style. Basically, on demand anonymity in real life.

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Post by badc0ffee »

rsstack wrote: post #187
Xylakant wrote: post #75

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Philadelphia is a cheese brand in Germany, maybe they just like that. Or the movie.

Philadelphia cheese brand is from New York. Presumably, the German market licenses the brand but produces locally in Europe and doesn't import from the US (New York and Wisconsin).

This is most likely true. I can confirm that Canadian Philadelphia cheese is made in Canada.
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